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do "carry" champs really "carry"

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Forum Poster

Senior Member

01-13-2011

I address this in my post that got toolishly downvote-locked.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=444911


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FrozenXylaphone

Senior Member

01-13-2011

Carry just refers to DPS because the DPS role can do lots of damage to both champions and turrets. The important point here being the Turrets. If you whole team is godly unkillable and you have mages with huge burst, it means nothing if you can't kill a single turret.

In reality, the tank role should be called the carry because Tanks protect their allies which is more what the term carry would denote. In battle you carry the wounded to safety, etc.

DPS seems more like the heavy artillery or the secret weapon than something that carries someone. I mean, most carrys are squishy and would be smashed if they tried to lift up a heavy tank.


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Xianio

Senior Member

01-13-2011

The real deal is that unless you're in high ELO Carry's aren't necessarily the people "carrying" you. When everyone plays really well/creates teams intelligently and makes few mistakes the guys who scale best (carries) have huge impacts.

When the games are more sloppy, deaths are given away at a high(er) rate and its possible to get fed as just about anyone the role of the carry is heavily diminished. That being said even a losing team can come back if their Carry farms ups (they do have to stop feeding though). I've been on both the receiving end (when doing stellar with Galio) and the giving end (when playing Yi or Sivir).

Trouble is the less roles are defined and stuck to the less the "carry" actually needs to do its job.


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Julian Kanzuki

Senior Member

01-13-2011

Your looking too deeply into the semantics of the terminology.

being a "carry" just means that they are the characters who kill stuff. They do high damage and kill things easier than other champions kill things.

If they were called "killies" instead of "carrys" would it change how effectively they do there job? nope, so does it really matter?


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MaR10s

Senior Member

01-13-2011

I think the term carry still applies in LoL, but not to the extend that it does in Dota. Dota carries literally 1v5 lategame.

I think you are misinterpreting the term carry. It does't mean "the best player in the team", it means the one who kills the enemy team. If you have no carry who are the supports supporting? Who are the tanks tanking for?

Think of it as the role of a striker/forward in football (erm soccer for you I guess). His team works to provide him chances to score. Again that doesn't mean he is the best/ most important player. Hope you get my point :P


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Jericho Hill

Senior Member

01-13-2011

Quote:
Julian Kanzuki:
Your looking too deeply into the semantics of the terminology.

being a "carry" just means that they are the characters who kill stuff. They do high damage and kill things easier than other champions kill things.

If they were called "killies" instead of "carrys" would it change how effectively they do there job? nope, so does it really matter?


I agree with what you're saying, but I still think it matters because there are plenty of inexperienced players out there that pick a champ based on their predicted impact in a game, and if that champ is categorized as a carry then they are more likely to pick that champ.

and as a former inexperienced player i played carries because i was thinking "wow gee they must be able to carry the team by themselves if played right"

So I would agree that the terminology is bad and I would recommend that riot remove the term carry from the game (also leaguecraft, solomid, etc.)

I think it's funny that this term (and what people think it means) might be the reason for a lot of "bad games" that go on during the day


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Jericho Hill

Senior Member

01-13-2011

Quote:
MaR10s:
I think the term carry still applies in LoL, but not to the extend that it does in Dota. Dota carries literally 1v5 lategame.

I think you are misinterpreting the term carry. It does't mean "the best player in the team", it means the one who kills the enemy team. If you have no carry who are the supports supporting? Who are the tanks tanking for?

Think of it as the role of a striker/forward in football (erm soccer for you I guess). His team works to provide him chances to score. Again that doesn't mean he is the best/ most important player. Hope you get my point :P


I get your point. Well thought out. Good explanation. I don't think 90% of players understand it like you do though. That's the problem.


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Jerobean45

Senior Member

01-13-2011

The theory of a DPS carry is dependent on the following:

-getting kills and/or having a great farm
-having a team that can protect you
-playing smart and knowing when to initiate

if you have this, a true DPS carry can survive, and carry noticeably harder than tanky champions.


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IS19e2fb3ab4b24be9af33f

Senior Member

01-13-2011

carry: relativly weak early game but gets strong end game by farming. do believe this is the proper deffenition altough, never used ( sinds when did my english get so bad)


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Tokinatoor

Senior Member

01-13-2011

I think carry definately means "late game dominance"

Think about Malphite, Kassadin, Sivir (all 3 are carrys that excel late game but dont really focus on damaging another champ with AD)


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