Elise AD?

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Guy on a bus

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12-11-2012

Anyone had success with it? I've tried and done alright. I only just got her so I'm playing with possibilities. INB4 elise is AP only. => W is AS steroid. Give me some real discussion here.


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Viewtiful Jon

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12-11-2012

Spider form gives such good scaling for AD by going AP. You will get more AD from going AP than AD and also have the increased damage on abilities.


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Guy on a bus

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12-11-2012

How does building AP build AD at ALL?


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doombotMECHA

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12-11-2012

elise's spider form AAs scale off AP, and so do those of her spiders....the bonus dps is magic fyi.


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Taoquitok

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12-12-2012

to correct what they're saying..

Her spiderlings AD scales of 0.2 of your AP.
Her AP on-hit effect scales of 0.3 of your AP

Her actual base attacks do not scale off AP.. just the effect they apply.

AD elise worked well prior to the S3 changes.. I haven't tested it since then though as her AP jungle works insanely well now. very fast clears and the safest of all the jungles imo as she takes zero damage in the jungle due to her spiders so allowing for easy ganks and counter jungles


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Warrrrax

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12-12-2012

AD is just terrible on her. Compare her to say.. Xin or Yi some other autoattacker. you can see that AD Elise is subpar compared to AD Sion, Xin, Yi, Fiora, etc.

She is squishier than a normal melee AD.
Her AS per level and base AS are weaker than melee AD.
She has NO SCALING SKILLS whatsoever with AD.
Her AS steroid is only 3 seconds. Its strong but on average less useful than say Xin's 80% for 6sec.
She only has that 1 steroid. Xin has AD steroid, Sion has AD and AS and lifesteal, Yi has AS, AD.

She has spiderlings which dont scale on AD and apply minor damage. She has a great gapcloser, but has NO SLOW. This really kills her as a melee since she needs Rylais or Mallet to be able to chase worth a ****. Maybe furor enchantment or ghostblade.

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Tanky AP works a lot better. Her ratios arent great but she has a LOT of them!

Q has two buffed ratios, roughly equivalent to 0.6 AP ratio vs a foe @2k health.
She has 0.3 AP ratio which cost-wise is about equal to 0.55 AD as onhit damage.
Spiderlings have 0.2 AP ratio. With 5 of them thats significant.
She gains extta health with W up based on AP.
Her W spiderboom is 0.8 AP ratio.

Thats a lot of stuff. She has decent enough burst, though relies on melee to deal extra damage. But with a 3 sec steroid she isnt meant to duke it out in melee for extended duration.

Remember, you DONT have to rush tons of AP. Best bet is lots of magic penetration (sorc shoes, guise, abyssal), and some decent tankiness (frozen fist, rylais/Rod/etc).
That lets her due near true damage to many foes, ahve a good burst, penetrate her onhit damage, plus give her good armor/MR/ghealth.


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Guy on a bus

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12-12-2012

Thanks tao, I didn't even realize she had an on hit magic damage effect. Thank you also for the AP ratios, b/c I had no idea how to check what makes spiderlings get better. (I kinda assumed it was fixed) So that decides it, no more AD for me. been playing AP for a while now and it's ok... Elise is really really fun to play, just trying jungling now.