A Wild Knifecat Appears! (Rengar Discussion)

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NIKOLOPOLO

Junior Member

08-22-2013

Hi all and Hi Scari. First of all I want say you thx for all these changes to Rengar what you've done. I think you can make him really awesome Predator but i have 2 propositions and 1 question for you. Oh and sry me if my English is bad or you don't understand something. So what am I? Oh yes...
My first proposition is about his Q. If I'm not wong you said that removing the stealth from his ult will allow you to give Rengar more dmg. SO pls don't nerf dmg on his Q or buff it. I propose you to add to his Q one effect that will stacks 2 times on one single target. So first using of his Q will impose the Bleeding as the Darius Passive and the second using of Q or Emp. Q will give armor penetration (as we lost armor penetration on BTN it will compensate it on his Q). I understand it will be too strong with all his AS so we can remove AS from his Emp. Q and leave it only on his normal Q. I think this effects will suits Rengar perfectly. And Scari I remember your words about your opportunity to give Rengar more dmg if you remove his stealth. I think slight dmg buff on his Q and these effects will be enough compansation to the loss of Stealth besides his Q is the main dmg skill so pls do something good for it without any nerfs. (it's really hard for me to see how easily Kha'zix can beat his opponents with his Q which gives him with his passive almost 700 dmg or more!!).
My second proposition is about his Ult. I really like these changes to his ult without stealth but I think (and a lot of people on this forum I hope will agree) we can make it better. How? Well everyone who had played Rengar for a long time remembered that horrible delay on his ult. So we can use it on his new ult too but With the benefit to us. I remember you said that his ult with all his stacks lasts 28 second. I propose you to let Rengar Jumping during his Ult and this delay(3 sec) will be a CD between his jumps. I think it will be good and everyone will forget about the loss of stealth. So what do you Think about these changes?
And for the last my question to you Scari. Is there any hope for me to see Rengar's rework before the 14th of September? I'm from Ukraine and I live in Odessa and here are a lot of LoL fans. And There will be a LoL tournament in our city on the 14th of September and i really wanted to play for a new Rengar on this tournament and Destroy all me enemies.
I hope you will answer me.I registered on NA only for this forum and for your answer. I played on Russian server and my nickname is Wishmar. So if you've got a free time and wanted to play it will be an honor for me to play with you.


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Raiyn

Senior Member

08-22-2013

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Originally Posted by alfavhunter View Post
Jensaykufu may i remind you that this is a public forum for a game for a multitude of ages, please refraim from posting porn on these forums

your post is likely to be deleted VERY soon with how traficed this forum is

Honestly its ****ing disgusting.

Has Scarizard not checked this thread to see this guy has now TWICE posted this same picture? What about the mods? You can't convince me nobody has seen Jay-ass' post, ban him already, please.

He posted on page 324 as well. Cmon Reds, Scarizard or a mod.


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Squeaksthename

Junior Member

08-22-2013

I personally feel that making one of his core items, the item only he can have, specific to jungle nerfs his laning potential. I enjoyed Rengar top, and the occasional support, so much more than his jungle. It feels like we're pushing him too hard into the jungle. Maybe making Bonetooth Necklace build into a jungler item might be the better option. Instead of the other way around. You could even add two new Rengar items. One for lane and one for jungle. Reminiscent of Viktor in a way.


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xUnderøathx

Junior Member

08-22-2013

Im sure others have said the same thing but I still think the BTN should be Rengars passive. This revision looks better but meh, it's still feast or famine with it currently. Keep it up Riot. You will continue to earn my paychecks


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Mobilized Boat

Member

08-22-2013

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Eventually, I am planning to make Rengar's W reduce Ability Power, not Attack power.
Are you SERIOUS!?
this is bull****, most top laners are AD and this will do nothing against minions. my faith is gone.


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MoonshineDawg

Senior Member

08-22-2013

Almost a week and no Scarizard feedback. What's the point on this thread?


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Raiyn

Senior Member

08-22-2013

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Almost a week and no Scarizard feedback. What's the point on this thread?

Clearly for Jensay to post Femgar porn and for Red's to ignore it and not ban him

Pg324 and pg 339.

I hate these mods, I hate this thread, I hate how we're told this is a team-effort with Reds to remake Rengar>>>>>>>>>>I hate everything about this re-work especially when a porno pic of Rengar is literally allowed to stay up like this.

Honestly I said thank you before Scarizard for responding. But now I rescind that and while my respect might not mean much you've lost it.

How can you NOT see the pornographic material Jen has posted? If you were browsing this at least once a day you'd have caught it by now and should be able to report it to SOMEONE at your own workplace!

I understand you have a life and other projects. But TWICE now this Jen guy has made a COMPLETE mockery of this thread with his pictures.

Yeah, now now I feel ****ing disenfranchised.


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Parapsychology

Member

08-22-2013

First time commentor , long time Rengar fan. Could make this a lengthy comment, but I won't. So the changes.. Good and Bad. Interesting and disturbing. I'm sure most Rengar fans have mixed feelings.'

RIP stealth kitty. Or maybe to add counterplay, make it so when Rengar stealths enemies will hear a VO when he reaches just outside of leap range? His ultimate was always a nice get away..now it's not so much. Maybe add CC invulnerability/reduction to ult until he performs leap (if stealth is being taken away) then he's guaranteed to initiate onto whoever he wants, but the enemy has time to prepare for it.

Since Rengar will be losing his early game burst (lvl2-3deathzone) that doesn't mean he has to lose his lategame burst too. Here was an addition i thought of for better scaling and snowballing endurance on the Pridestalker. I mean after all, he does have a "thrill for the hunt" and I personally feel he should be rewarded for kills without having to invest in an item that steals a controversial slot (BTN).

Thrill of the Hunt

Rengar becomes empowered granting unique abilities (Predator sight, speed, jump, ferocity).

Passive

- Rengar becomes empowered with each champion kill granting 1/3/5 passive bonus attack damage.

OR

- Rengar becomes empowered granting unique abilities (Predator sight, speed, jump, ferocity). Rengar's next auto attack or Savagery will cause an additional 10/15/20 (+5%AD) damage with each champion kill.

By putting these passives into Rengar's ultimate instead of others spells, it hinders his snowballing burst to levels 6-18 instead of 1-18.

Any feedback?


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Iridos

Senior Member

08-22-2013

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I was really skeptical about these changes. In particular, when I saw them on paper, I didn't like the change to a skill-shot on E or the stealth removal on R.


... then at Scarizard and Wav3break's insistence, I actually played it. It worked really well. I didn't realize until after the game how little I missed the stealth. In fact, most cases where I would have used the stealth to escape - I could simply outrun the enemy.

Similarly, in cases where I would normally try to use my ult to stealth & run, but it would fail on live, due to never getting the "stealth" effect off, I occasionally survived.

The skillshot version actually made me a *better* player. People couldn't vision juke me into brush - I bola shot them blindly. The skill shot also makes me more dangerous in ganks - the range is far better than on live.

I acknowledge the validity of your skepticism, but as a veteran Rengar player, I didn't realize how little I appreciated the stealth until I was sprinting around the map without the need to use it.
I think I've finally figured out why I always feel like these sorts of comments are actually meaningless: you always balance away what you talk about finding awesome. I've heard over and over from Rioters this line: "I also was skeptical about (insert change here), but then I playtested it and it actually is awesome and works out well." And then when that change reaches live, it's been nerfed so much since the playtest that it's actually not awesome and doesn't really work well, and the players expressing concern go "wtf Riot, this is exactly what we said would happen!" And they were right.

I have no doubt that when you playtest the concept it's awesome... because nobody is going to bother coding something that isn't awesome, and the numbers are guaranteed to be high enough to make the thing awesome. But is it balanced?


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Xore

Recruiter

08-22-2013

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From what I can see, Rengar's gameplay is going to be a lot more different.

1) Laning It got a massive nerf, no strong straight up damage for trades, and now that bola strike is a skillshot, harassing is out of the question now.

tl;dr got weaker/nerfed and will pretty much be a boring backdoor champ. Not gonna be fun anymore
E have more range, more damage and Counterplay which is good, man it won't be that hard to land his E and you can still sustain yourself pretty well even if you're zoned hard in lane.

Also since They'll move some damage from his Q and add it to his other skills, he won't Instakill when he pops out of his ult. and if that happens they gonna leave his ult as it is now. Because since he won't be able to kill his prey in 1-2 sec because they'll have time to react and dodge his full combo.