Ezreal's current status

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General8

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11-19-2010

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Originally Posted by FennecFoxx View Post
Ez isn't worthless as most people make him out to be. Hes not stupidly broken like he used to be in the right hands but hes still very powerful just much harder to use then ashe for most players. If you feel like your up to learning something harder then right click and win then go roll some newbs. Ez is just where he should be in terms of skill used well hes Par with a normal carry but much harder to deal with.

AD is still pretty much the core Ez build AP seems like its nothing but a risk to use well.
AD is the core, how so?

If your going crit damage with him why not go trist or twitch + your ult does **** late game 500 damage to the first person it hits - hrm lets suppose you hit a tank that doesn't do jack..

Lets suppose you go AP, late game you have a reasonable 500 AP (assume you get health items ROA + Ryleighs) your ult will do close to 1000 dmg with AP runes. You hit their entire team for 600-1000 dmg. That'll hurt, plus your E will hit for like 400-500 and W is AOE line dmg. Finish that off with a lichbane and your looking some serious damage.

Only thing is to get to here ^^ you need to get lots of kills and assists or be good at last hitting.

I've tried him both as AD and AP and almost any other range AD champ can do it better than EZ.


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General8

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11-19-2010

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Frankly I've personally came to the decision that AD is still superior because of the fact that Q is his core ability. And as it was pointed out Q is pathetic in the late game against anything with a health bar bigger than a minion.

Put a BF sword on him and build it to IE and you start to see some damage out of his abilities. Put Last whisper on him (Per Phreak) with that and some elixirs, and you start to bring back bad dreams to people from when he used to truly not just be a "carry" but actually be the whole team.
Yeah it's true his Q does scale well with damage but late game if you have lets say 300 damage your q will hit for 300*1.2= 360 whereas if you grab a lichbane with 300 AP (much easier to get than 300 dmg) your looking at 300 + 100 (base dmg roughly) * 1.2 = 420.

Why would you build him AD?

Furthermore because of his low HP, an item like zhonya's will be very helpful if the enemy team decideds to target you whereas you don't really have an item like that if you build him AD....


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Feral Renegade

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11-19-2010

Dude.. Q is dealing 300 dmg at lvl 13.. lmao Lvl 18, with trinity force and bloodthirsters and the like, Q is dealing 600-700 damage. Not to mention the .8 second CD when youve got golem buff. Lmao


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xbombr

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11-19-2010

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AD is the core, how so?

If your going crit damage with him why not go trist or twitch + your ult does **** late game 500 damage to the first person it hits - hrm lets suppose you hit a tank that doesn't do jack..

Lets suppose you go AP, late game you have a reasonable 500 AP (assume you get health items ROA + Ryleighs) your ult will do close to 1000 dmg with AP runes. You hit their entire team for 600-1000 dmg. That'll hurt, plus your E will hit for like 400-500 and W is AOE line dmg. Finish that off with a lichbane and your looking some serious damage.

Only thing is to get to here ^^ you need to get lots of kills and assists or be good at last hitting.

I've tried him both as AD and AP and almost any other range AD champ can do it better than EZ.
You would be right if AP could still heal. The problem with AP is that it has no early game and takes forever to farm up the 500 AP you need, especially without getting very many kills because of your horrible damage output early on.

If AP could still heal, then he would have a useful position early game so he could get to late game more easily. Essentially when you have an AP Ez on your team it's 4v5 for the first 35 minutes of the game and he'll completely destroy everything after that point if the other team hasn't already done so much damage they can win the game.


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Cyrad

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11-19-2010

He's difficult to play effectively. If you have the patience to learn how to play him well, he can deal devastating damage and be a major asset to the team. Not to mention he's fun and has a unique style of play.


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General8

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11-19-2010

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Dude.. Q is dealing 300 dmg at lvl 13.. lmao Lvl 18, with trinity force and bloodthirsters and the like, Q is dealing 600-700 damage. Not to mention the .8 second CD when youve got golem buff. Lmao
Let's compare late game only (i.e. lev. 18 since lev. 13 its hard to justify who has what items)

Trinity Force:
Effects +30 Attack Damage
+30 Ability Power
+30% Attack Speed
+15% Critical Strike Chance
+15% Movement Speed
+250 Health
+250 Mana
Passive UNIQUE: 25% chance on hit to slow the target by 35% for 2.5 seconds; on cast, increases your base Attack Damage by 150% for one attack.


The only thing ez benefits from AD is the 15% crit and the 30 AD + passive. However the passive is only on his base damage which makes his base damage now 100 --> 150 *1.2 (from Q skill) = 180+ he gets his 30 dmg + Q dmg = 315. Put 300 damage on him from items (i'm assuming your not stupid and going pure damage). He is doing6150 damage okay?
Now, where do you get this information about 0.8 sec cooldown???
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wik...digal_Explorer
Look at his Q its 4 sec CD. Max cd reduc in game is 40% so that makes your Q will still take 2.6 to recharge + that means you need a cooldown reduc item on an AD character...

Now 2.6 secs?? Suppose you get 500 AP late game + lichbane your doing 100 (base) *1.2 (Q)= 120 + Q damage = 235 + 500 AP your doing 735. Combined that plus the fact that your ult already does 650 + .9*500 = 1100-700 damage. Your outputting more damage than AD without even considering how much damage essence flux will do esp to more than one target!!!


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General8

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11-19-2010

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You would be right if AP could still heal. The problem with AP is that it has no early game and takes forever to farm up the 500 AP you need, especially without getting very many kills because of your horrible damage output early on.

If AP could still heal, then he would have a useful position early game so he could get to late game more easily. Essentially when you have an AP Ez on your team it's 4v5 for the first 35 minutes of the game and he'll completely destroy everything after that point if the other team hasn't already done so much damage they can win the game.
That is very true, thats why I said he needs to be upped his farming ability

Usually when I play Ez, I try to snipe enemy targets low on HP this helps a bit esp with mejai's. But your right the biggest thing with ez, (and any ap char.. with no utility) is that your useless without a good start or a farming skill (like ap shaco -- he is ****ed with no farming skill and u play him AP)..


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ViktorBarney

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11-19-2010

AP Ezreal is good, it just takes forever for him to get farmed up.


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General8

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11-19-2010

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AP Ezreal is good, it just takes forever for him to get farmed up.
He has a very specialized type of play. His Q is good for last hitting but I do hope they give him more farming prowess + they need to fix his E so it has priority on lowest HP or other champs.


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