Primordial Burst

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CoolerThanFuzz

Senior Member

11-17-2010

wuT is datt???

That is Veigar's ultimate.

wuT is a vEIgar?

You know, that small guy that used to deal a lot of damage but now is crappy.

OH, hIM. He hAs an uLTimate?

Yes...it's called Primordial Burst. Deals damage according to their AP so good at killing mages.

NEVER HEARD OF IT.

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Ok seriously...Veigar's ultimate is a joke. Early game it does nothing. It could pass for a regular skill for its very low damage. At level 6, your AP is probably not going to get past 20. 250 + 20 + enemy AP = PIECE OF SH*T
At level 6, 4/5 of the enemies probably don't even use AP, and the one that does probably also has only 20 AP. So that's 290 dmg. With the base magic resist, it will probably be decreased by 25%, let's say. That's 217.5 damage. That's for an ultimate that has 130 second cooldown. **** only ult that has a higher cooldown than that is Requiem. At least that's what it seems like. Why is such a shetty skill have such a long cooldown? IDK...

Let's look at the old Veigar ultimate.
Base damage 200/300/400. (lower, but wait. there's more)
Mana 200/300/400. (higher, but wait. there's more)
Cooldown 130/110/90 (same)

Now, old Primordial Blast dealt lower base damage, costed more mana, and has the same cooldown. HOWEVER, if Primordial Blast deals the killing blow, 500/1000/1500 FREAKING MANA IS REGENERATED. You also permanently gain 5 Ability Power. WTF IS THIS. Most decent Veigars use Primordial Blast as the killing blow, so this greatly helped. So mana cost is redundant in this case. Now let's look at what makes Primordial Burst so special.

Old Primordial Burst : 25% of the enemy's Max MP pool is added to the damage. HOWEVER. If the enemy has no mana (energy, no MP, HP, etc) it deals flat additional damage.
New Primordial Burst : The target's AP is added to the damage.

In current 5v5's, chances are there are 0-2 mages in your team. Let's just say there is 1 mage then. (make it fair).
BEFORE THE REWORK : You would have dealt 400 damage + 25% of the enemy's mana. Let's say it's a Ryze with...3000 mana. You have dealt 750 +400. That's 1150. Impressive. Also, if you kill the enemy, you gain additional Mana and AP. ALSO...many mages stack archangel's staffs, so such mages would have around 4000-5000 MP, which would make Primordial Burst even MORE effective.
AFTER THE REWORK : You would have dealt 500 damage + the enemy's AP. Let's say this Ryze has 600 AP. You have dealt 500 + 600 = 1100. 50 damage less than the old ult. ALSO, you do not refund any mana and do not gain any AP if you kill.

One more example. At level 6, as said before, you would have dealt 217.5 damage.
BEFORE THE REWORK : You would have dealt 200 + 25% of the enemy's mana. Let's say it's a Ryze (again) with 1000 mana. 25% of that is 250. 200 + 250 = 450. Plus your additional AP, that's 470. Calculating with their base m. resist brings you down to 352.5. That's roughly 150 damage more than the current Primordial Burst. It is also worth of being called an ULTIMATE.

It is clearly shown that Primordial Burst right now is shetter than sh*t. It's basically a regular skill nuke with no crowd control and a higher cooldown. PLEASE RIOT. Make Veigar's Ult decent again. He used to be a great mage, and a mage killer. Now he is a mediocre mage, and is out classed by other "mage killers". Why pick a Veigar when you can have Annie, who can stun their whole team AND deal massive damage AND have a pet. Veigar can only stun their whole team and deal massive damage to ONE FOE.
Why have Veigar when you can have Anivia, who has great slows, stuns, burst, and utility with her wall?

Not to mention Veigar's passive is also shetter than sh*t, but I'd rather Riot fix his ult first.

tl;dr : Veigar needs a fix on his ult.


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Moe Moe Omurice

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11-17-2010

primordial burst should explode and deal collateral damage like explosive shot


primordial burst = supernova


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Tyhan

Senior Member

11-17-2010

You still get the AP for getting a killing blow with Primordial, read baleful more carefully.


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Janus

Senior Member

11-17-2010

tl;dr


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Patronum

Senior Member

11-17-2010

At level 6 I usually have 70 AP + with veigar. Just use runes + his first skill properly.


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CoolerThanFuzz

Senior Member

11-17-2010

Even if you have that much AP, your not going to get better damage than Veigar's Ult before.
tl;dr Veigar needs an ult fix soon.


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CoolerThanFuzz

Senior Member

11-17-2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyhan View Post
You still get the AP for getting a killing blow with Primordial, read baleful more carefully.
Ahh, but that's Baleful, not Primordial. It used to be an all in one pack for his ult.


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Xerenity

Member

11-17-2010

veigar is good, you just have to learn playing him more efficiently.


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Darkbyte

Senior Member

11-17-2010

giving Ryze 600ap is a huge stretch, which is sad, because 3k MP is actually reasonable


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GeminiEclipse

Senior Member

11-17-2010

If your ap at lvl 6 isnt better than 20 then you need to use Q more.


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