Is there a possibility that Riot will make an AP Version of Mercurial Scimitar?

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Xivilai Anaxes

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05-20-2013

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What if it built out of Glacial Shroud? All of its stats are things AD items are sorely lacking in.
pls. pls no mana.


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Cynical Rain

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05-20-2013

Voidgolem is an idiot.


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Zoram

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05-20-2013

zhonyas hourglass, you should buy it sometime.


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Voidgolem

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05-20-2013

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Voidgolem is an idiot.
an idiot that is, in general, better at the game than you are.

But hey, feel free to complain about how very underpowered AP mids are. You'd be horribly wrong, but that's your business.


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Pikachuux3

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05-20-2013

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zhonyas hourglass, you should buy it sometime.
Entire thread, you should read it sometime, especially when it's only 3 pages.


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JuGao

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05-20-2013

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for the millionth time:

AP can have better itemization as soon as we get the following:

-AD RoA
-AD Grail
--Armor Aura item (e.g. Old Starks)
-AD CDR items that aren't Brutalizer.
-AD Lichbane (for those Talons and whatnot)
-MR itemization that doesn't boil down to "Aegis" and "Ass".

k? k.
are you stupid? the 'ad lichbane' is the trinity force and it's one of 3 items that builds off sheen. and besides brutalizer building into more than one item, zephyr, gauntlet, and elder lizard all give cdr. the rest of those things you listed would be completely useless.

anyway. an ap scimitar would be nice but i'm assuming it's not there because zhonya's exists.


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Fraux

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05-20-2013

What situations do APs face that would justify giving them an AP equivalent of Scim? The whole reason it exists for ADs is so they can survive the CC from mages and actually do something instead of getting 100-0'd in a single burst/CC combo.

In contrast, the only threats APs really have are at most a silence, stun, or knock-up, after which they can start locking down people with their combo, pop Zhonya's so cooldowns are up, then do it again. If APs had a Scim it would eliminate most (if not all) situations that would allow ADs to actually fulfill their role of diving the backlines (where APs generally are). Can you imagine if as Talon, you E'd to Malz, only to have him QSS the silence and kill you before you could do any damage? It's going to be like that every game.


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Cloud Potato

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05-20-2013

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are you stupid? the 'ad lichbane' is the trinity force and it's one of 3 items that builds off sheen. and besides brutalizer building into more than one item, zephyr, gauntlet, and elder lizard all give cdr. the rest of those things you listed would be completely useless.

anyway. an ap scimitar would be nice but i'm assuming it's not there because zhonya's exists.
Trinity Force is definitely not an AD Lich Bane. TF is a Hybrid item. Both of Brutalizer's upgrades are poor from a personal offensive standpoint, and Zephyr and IG don't give enough AD. SotEL is fine but the next nerf will probably knock it out of viability (down to 35 AD).


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Pikachuux3

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05-20-2013

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What situations do APs face that would justify giving them an AP equivalent of Scim? The whole reason it exists for ADs is so they can survive the CC from mages and actually do something instead of getting 100-0'd in a single burst/CC combo.

In contrast, the only threats APs really have are at most a silence, stun, or knock-up, after which they can start locking down people with their combo, pop Zhonya's so cooldowns are up, then do it again. If APs had a Scim it would eliminate most (if not all) situations that would allow ADs to actually fulfill their role of diving the backlines (where APs generally are). Can you imagine if as Talon, you E'd to Malz, only to have him QSS the silence and kill you before you could do any damage? It's going to be like that every game.
Are you serious? Why is that only AP champions are allowed to be bursted down, but not AD champions? This is quite a biased post you have right here. You do not realise how significant a silence truly is to an AP champ. Silence isn't quite relevant to ADCs because they can keep AAing, but mages only have their kit to do damage. You silence them, no damage at all for the next 3 seconds. This is where a QSS can come in handy to counter so. Again, you are incredibly biased with your example. So it's okay for Talon to kill Malz, and Malz has no counterplay to Talon whatsoever? Lol ok.


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Voidgolem

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05-20-2013

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are you stupid? the 'ad lichbane' is the trinity force and it's one of 3 items that builds off sheen. and besides brutalizer building into more than one item, zephyr, gauntlet, and elder lizard all give cdr. the rest of those things you listed would be completely useless.

anyway. an ap scimitar would be nice but i'm assuming it's not there because zhonya's exists.
triforce/sheen/gauntlet do not scale with your bonus AD. It's why they're in general not recommended outside of bruiser types (and why triforce has fallen out of favor with pretty much everybody but Skarner)

Ghostblade's been garbage on most champions for a long, long time. Cleaver's better but not good enough (especially after all the nerfs it's recieved).

Zephyr is horribly overpriced and is too niche for most champions (I have no reason to buy it on Riven, for instance). Lizard is acceptable 'til you realize that AP has, like, fifty options that do their particular jobs better and don't build out of stats that you probably don't care about in lane (tho it does have them beat in the cost-efficiency department)

"Completely useless"? I can tell you've never actually played Pan/Talon.