Tribunal and how trolls use it to enhance toxicity

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SlightlySuicidal

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04-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Fathomful View Post
It is easy for Trolls to report you.

It is impossible for that to result in a successful ban.
LMAO!

Good one!


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Fathomful

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04-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Golden Dawn Mage View Post
You are missing the point.

Trolls(in-game) "TRY REALLY HARD" to get innocent people to do things wrong, or to frame them if they did no wrong. This gives trolls(in-game) more reason to troll, now that their can be something that the troll can legitimately destroy(another person's account). With out the tribunal, the trolls(in-game) are just that trolls that mean nothing. The tribunal gives them more reasons to do what they do, and more fuel and in itself is used as a form of toxicity. Tribunal only changed the way trolling is done in game. It is a fest of people trying to get each other banned. With out it, trolling would be different and quite frankly less effective than it is. Tribunal itself is not healthy, since the only out come it creates is destruction(destroying people's accounts). There is no good that comes from the tribunal. It does not remove trolls, it just destroy's accounts, nothing more than that.
Nobody is missing the point you are trying to make. The point is there is no way for them to be successful in this attempt.

Let them try to do this, it is impossible for them to achieve it successfully.

Guess what prevents that....

Tribunal.

Good well thought out stuff, with good points, but at the end of the day you are pointing out a problem that already has a solution.

There is no way a troll can get someone banned. Period. There is not arguing that fact.

The only way you can get banned is by being a d0u#ebag or cheating, plain or simple. The only thing you can really dispute is if the level of d0u#ebaggery was sufficient do deserve that much punishment.


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TheWhite2086

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04-07-2013

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Trolls(in-game) "TRY REALLY HARD" to get innocent people to do things wrong, or to frame them if they did no wrong.
And if Tribunal didn't exist, they would be doing something else. Trolls will ALWAYS find a way to troll. The only thing you can do about them is ignore them or have a system in place to remove them from the game


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Drukyul

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04-07-2013

op sounds like a gun grabber
using the same horrible logic


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ThatNinjaGuy

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04-07-2013

Trolls mean nothing even with Tribunal because they do not have the ability to get an account banned.


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Ezrianne

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04-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Golden Dawn Mage View Post
Like I said. Trolls(in-game) "try" to get other people to get "punished" by the tribunal, through means of "baiting" and/or "framing". Since being banned is the ultimate way to harm someone, trolls(in-game) are now attempting to get others to befall this fate. When if the tribunal didn't exist, trolls(in-game) would not have this kind of power to harm others like they currently have.
If the Tribunal didn't exist those trolls wouldn't get banned in the first place and would be running amok as level 30 accounts being toxic and ruining high-level play. I think this is the lesser of two evils, especially considering that there are barriers in place to prevent report and punish-spam from meaning anything.

There is also the fact that permabans are checked and verified by Riot - trolls alone are not going to get someone banned forever.

As several people have said, report-spammers eventually lose any credibility in the report system, same with punish-spammers. I also think the number of 'Tribunal Punish Trolls' is being exaggerated; since IP rewards in the Tribunal were removed, punish-spamming lost the reward factor for most trolls. I voted Pardon a couple of days ago and it went through by Overwhelming Majority.


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MrSmileyy

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04-07-2013

This has been debunked so many times so thoroughly by Lyte it isn't even funny. People making these threads have already proven a lack of desire to listen to logic and reason. Don't waste your time people =/


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Ezrianne

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04-07-2013

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You are missing the point.

Trolls(in-game) "TRY REALLY HARD" to get innocent people to do things wrong, or to frame them if they did no wrong. This gives trolls(in-game) more reason to troll, now that their can be something that the troll can legitimately destroy(another person's account). With out the tribunal, the trolls(in-game) are just that trolls that mean nothing. The tribunal gives them more reasons to do what they do, and more fuel and in itself is used as a form of toxicity. Tribunal only changed the way trolling is done in game. It is a fest of people trying to get each other banned. With out it, trolling would be different and quite frankly less effective than it is. Tribunal itself is not healthy, since the only out come it creates is destruction(destroying people's accounts). There is no good that comes from the tribunal. It does not remove trolls, it just destroy's accounts, nothing more than that.
If someone is baiting you in-game, ignore / mute them. If they start spamming 'so-and-so isn't communicating' or 'so-and-so is feeding', just say in chat 'No, I'm trying to be helpful and this has been a rough game for me'. If the chat logs state that you aren't intentionally being toxic or troll-ish, you aren't going to get banned. Whereas if you rise to the taunt and start yelling at everyone else, you're risking it.

Trolls don't have the power to get you banned. You have the power to keep your cool and use the report / Tribunal system as it was meant to be used. If you don't rise to their baiting and communicate clearly, there won't be any evidence to use against you. Whereas their 'baiting' and 'taunting' are a perfectly legitimate reason for you to report them, and for them to be punished in the Tribunal.


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SilvertonguedDvl

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04-07-2013

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You are missing the point.
I'm sorry but no, I'm not.

Any troll that tries to abuse the tribunal via reporting/baiting you into engaging in reportable behaviour is ultimately just kneecapping their credibility within the automated system.

#1: They have to successfully bait you.

#2: You have to be successfully baited throughout some 10-20 games in fairly rapid succession and reported (likely) by multiple people in each game. If it's not rapid succession/multiple people you'd have to get reported in potentially hundreds of games before you'd get into the tribunal at all.

#3: Ten random people in the Tribunal have to look through your chatlogs and decide whether your punishment was significant.

#4: If it somehow progresses beyond this point successfully, you can appeal to remove the ban via player support. They can look into the chatlogs (post and pre game) and judge for themselves if you were engaging in suspension-worthy behaviour.

And if that doesn't work then you may, in fact, be engaging in suspension worthy behaviour because something on the order of 60-70 people will have decided that you were being a dick by that point.


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