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First, dodge is multiplicatively additive formula. Stacking 2 items with 12% dodge does not give 24% dodge chance. Slightly less actually.

That's exactly the kind of terminology I set out to criticize. You act as though the act of stacking two items with 12% dodge chance has diminishing returns when in fact it has increasing returns.

If you acquire one item with 12% dodge chance, you can now withstand 1/(1-0.12) = 1.13636364 or

**13.63%** more damage from auto-attacks. Acquire a second 12% dodge chance item and you can now withstand 1/(1-.12)*1/(1-.12) = 1.29117769 or

**29.12%** more damage. The second bonus gave you an extra

**1.86% more** than what you got from the first bonus.

The benefits of stacking dodge increase exponentially with each additional dodge bonus.

If you were concerned with my mention of asymptotic scaling, then I'm just saying that if y is the amount of physical damage you can sustain without dying and x is dodge percentage, then y is proportional to 1/(1-x), which approaches infinity as x approaches 100%.

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Originally Posted by

**Keen Kigoi**
Ok, perhaps a bit more clarity is warranted.

First, dodge is multiplicatively additive formula. Stacking 2 items with 12% dodge does not give 24% dodge chance. Slightly less actually.

Please refer to this thread:

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...ead.php?t=3287
more importantly this little gem:

I guess I'm a little confused. For what large number of opposing champions do you think your "only auto attacks" survivability numbers apply?

I'm not saying that there's a particular case where dodge is the most important stat or that they should ignore magic damage. I'm just saying that when someone is considering the dodge stat, they should look at the benefit it provides them relative to their HP and note that dodge

*increases* exponentially in effectiveness the more dodge bonuses you stack, and does not decrease in effectiveness as people might naively assume from looking at the percentages, or in this case, your statement that two 12% bonuses does not equal a 24% bonus.