Why do so many people push "Punish"?

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Asukie

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03-10-2013

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Really now? I had a case where a player had a total of 5 reports, and only one of the cases actually had a strong claim, I believe he was using profanity in the way of getting his teammates to stop feeding or something. Like not directed to personally insult them but the way a really frustrated person would use it to get you to do some faster or instantly, an example would be like when someone tells you to "Hurry the **** up".

My point is that in his case, on the first report for him was 5 reports from one game and all the reports were from the enemy team. The chat log was mainly empty with only him saying one thing the whole game, and it was so funny I couldn't forget "bounce house", Lol.... the 5 reports from the enemy team was verbal abuse, as him using "bounce house" in the /all so the enemy team could see. Ironically enough, once I looked at his score, the answer was obvious.... He was like 9-1 or 9-2... I can't remember... But really now? One bad game outweighs everything? At times I feel chat log is not enough, and footage from that game which a player was reported be held for the Tribunal as well.

In the results I got back in the case, as I remember, was Community Agreement: Almost No One. I chose to pardon him, as I do not know his how much Honor point he has, as I believe Honor points should be accounted as well, a Player does not simply get free honor points in a game without showing some kind of great sportsmen-ship, should one "bad" game be enough to take that all away? Or enough to outweigh all the "good" games that he has had? Out of 100 games, with a total of 5-7 reports only, it is enough to take away all the honor he has earn, or even a timed-ban? Is that not the same as a great person doing many great thing but having a simple flaw? As if Martin Luther King doing all that he did, but his status tarnished by a simple mistake? The Tribunals measure of a "Warning" is the same tearing away at status, such as should the player have had a Yellow Band or Green Band, symbolizing his honor amount as well his status of being a friend player/great leadership.

The Tribunal as I am apart of it, is faulty as I see, it acts somewhat similar to a U.S. Jury, yet fails as should a player choose to proceed the case, where is the check and balance on it? The Jury has many holes, as anyone that is level 20 may consider becoming apart of the Tribunal. I believe that a matter of level is not enough to consider ANY player well-suited to judge other players, just as it is true to the fact that it is not a matter of age to consider wisdom in a person.

I also understand that when the Tribunal works, it works! However the Tribunal as I see it, is similar to that of a poorly trained police force, blindly shooting into the crowd hoping to hit the intended target. At times, it is as though many players feel that they know best and that is why they join the Tribunal, or that they wish to do good, and that is their reason, but to be honest, it feels as though the Tribunal's limit of children trying to play pretend as Juries or people with power has been severely preached and those actions the safety of many friendly players pay the price. As not everyone is going to be kind, and if you are a honest player, or out of spite you are motivated to tell the player that you wish to report, that you are going to report him/her/or them, is it not possible for a counter-report? They could proceed to say anything and label their counter-report on you under anything. Example would be, as you proceed to tell your teammate the fault in what they are doing such as "Stop overextending please, the feed you are serving is overwhelming." or should you say something with sarcasm, or state a statement that leaves one too many interpretation of your intention. Such as "Lol guys lets just do that, yeah, stay in the jungle and not come gank when I need your help.", the situation for such sarcasm is intended for the jungler, who is failing to gank when it is clear the mid lane or whatever lane is in need of help. Should he have used the new ping feature? How would the Tribunal know? That is it, they wouldn't. They would base everything in the counter-report based on lets say "negative attitude", because the counter reporter is saying that(as he interpreted to be) the player who called for the gank is having a negative attitude for not asking politely or being insulting as he insulted his ganking skills? The Tribunal would then have to be biast on their decision now, as that is all they will see and that is how they shall interpret the chat log for what the accused player has said.

The Tribunal has one too many faults, and the question that many are asking if you are not a major Riot Fan-Boy or hardcore worshiper(as now you are probably thinking of every way to defend them and insult me), is if I don't think the Tribunal works efficiently and/or effectively enough, than what do I have in mind? Or if I found so much issue with the Tribunal system, than what do I think is better?

The answer is, I really don't know, as I believe the Tribunal should just be more heavily regulated, and people in the Tribunal should only be well-respected players, players who have high amounts of honor, and most likely a Ranked player. These should be the conditions to allow any player to sign up to be part of the Tribunal, as a players level is not a sufficient and punctual enough way to even consider a player has enough credit to judge another player.

That was all I wished to say, as one many cases are ruled unfairly, and unjustly, including a case that included I myself, where my roughly 300 honor points were reset as a warning due to three simple reports. But I have not written this due to my personal anger or sense of spite towards the Tribunal, as this has happened quite some time ago(around the time when I first joined), and I have already let it go. I bring this up as I have come to bear witness to the mediocre poor ruling of Riot's "Justice" system: The Tribunal.

-J.M.

Note:Excuse any grammatical or spelling errors, as I written this in all a one-go.
Lol... I tried tribunal first hand on my alternative and holy ****... all I did was spam punish and i got a 98% correct rate with 73punishment streak lol..... GL with tribunal I remember i spent time looking at it back then and hit pardon on some of em man I was wrong i got a 3-5% accuracy with that....


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Asukie

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03-10-2013

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Tribunal judges are accountable to Riot as well. Riot has gone one record saying that they intentionally seed innocent cases into the Tribunal in order to weed out punish spammers.

Riot removed IP rewards from Tribunal as another effort to weed out punish spammers. If there is no "monetary" reward, then the service to the community becomes its own reward (its why I do it).

The fact of the matter is that most people who appear before the Tribunal deserve to be there. In order to appear before he Tribunal in the first place, a player needs to be reported in approximately 15% of their games. Most players are reported in maybe 1% or 2% of their games, if that many. I have gotten a few Pardon cases in my time, about one or two per week (on average). Most of the rest of the cases are pretty clear punishes. Some of these are the absolute dregs of humanity.

(and the people who claim to spam punish and have 100% accuracy are lying. Most of these people claim that they do it for easy IP, which proves that they are trolling and trying to incite responsible members of the community)
Lol you wana see my screenshots? O_o.... i got a 95% accuracy with spaming pure punishment lol.....


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Minstrel13

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03-10-2013

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Lol you wana see my screenshots? O_o.... i got a 95% accuracy with spaming pure punishment lol.....
About 5% who appear before the Tribunal actually being innocent sounds about right. It matches my correct pardon rate.

Thank you for proving that you cannot spam punish and have 100% accuracy.

Thank you also for identifying yourself to Riot. I would not be surprised if your punish votes carried less weight in the future, or if the number of cases you could preside over in a day were reduced.

Thank you, and god bless.


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Grubass

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03-10-2013

@Theyyon It looks like noone read your post and all they want to see is the case LOL

@Minstrel13 6.5 Million cases and 95% punish rate. Riot might be acutally losing money on this xD


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Shiister

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03-10-2013

Anything Auskie says is a lie. S/He upset that got Wookie'd in their thread saying their 2 week ban was unfair and got permabanned a month or 2 ago.


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Safearra

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03-10-2013

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Anything Auskie says is a lie. S/He upset that got Wookie'd in their thread saying their 2 week ban was unfair and got permabanned a month or 2 ago.
so can you not flame other people with direct personal attacks? i think that is against the forum rules


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Shiister

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so can you not flame other people with direct personal attacks? i think that is against the forum rules
What personal attacks did I make? Stop trying to defend your new friend. Accept Summoner's Code then talk about forum rules, kthxbai.


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Safearra

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03-10-2013

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What personal attacks did I make? Stop trying to defend your new friend. Accept Summoner's Code then talk about forum rules, kthxbai.
where do i start? you first called him out by name, directed other viewers not to listen to him/her than viciously insulted them by calling them a lier that behavior is unacceptable.


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Shiister

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where do i start? you first called him out by name, directed other viewers not to listen to him/her than viciously insulted them by calling them a lier that behavior is unacceptable.
viciously insulted? Lol.

Calling someone a liar when they are one isn't viciously insulting them.

Stop trying to defend your troll buddy, if you actually knew Auskie's history on the forums you would know that my point is valid, but of course you wouldn't care. If the person dislike Tribunal they your new best friend.


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Safearra

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03-10-2013

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viciously insulted? Lol.

Calling someone a liar when they are one isn't viciously insulting them.

Stop trying to defend your troll buddy, if you actually knew Auskie's history on the forums you would know that my point is valid, but of course you wouldn't care. If the person dislike Tribunal they your new best friend.
so are you telling me you are aloud to name and flame on forums?

OR are you being selective on what rules you want to follow and what rules you would not?