[Guide] - The New Ryze, A Low AP Build

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Scrub A Dub Dub

Senior Member

03-19-2010

Hmmmm, compared to some other builds this one ranks at the bottom. The low cooldown is great, but the damage output is unbelievably ****ty. You can't kill anything at all.

I'm only a level 14 with no runes, but even then I doubt having more cooldown would help with such a low damage output. Ryze needs AP.


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Grinningsphinx

Senior Member

03-19-2010

Ryze doesnt *need* AP....his AP ratios were intentionally made poor to get people to play him another way after the remake. Void Staff, Scepter, Haunting guise, sorc shoes all increase his damage, especially since SF already lowers resists. Max CD redux allows you to spam more spells and most times you can throw 2 DP'd Spellfluxes before the buff runs out...Also, his DP CD is around 30 seconds...maybe a little less.


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Skwall

Junior Member

04-07-2010

This is the exact build I use.
Sure. You get some teams that cry after a loss about you having such low AP, but these are the same type of people who will go jungle when they don't see any enemy on the map. :P

This is a great build for Ryze. It just involves your team knowing what you are good at, and fighting accordingly.

It amuses me that so many people just flat overlook the fact that Ryze easily has one of the best crowd control spells in the game and go on to why 'wtf, you can't one shot the whole team?????'

Seriously. Some of you should be thankful you play a game like League of Legends, and not something like Online Poker where not knowing the difference between good and bad strategy actually costs you something.


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Judah the Lion

Senior Member

04-07-2010

How do you guys/gals feel about the inc. Ryze nerf?

Personally, I'm not sure it's deserved, but the itemization has altered slightly.


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PKHQ Ex

Junior Member

04-08-2010

nerf didnt look bad on paper but playing him a few times i can notice the different to his ult, its ok though i almost felt he was overpowered if he got fed early game anyways, i would beast on my lane.

i dont have all my mastery pts and runes set yet so that aside.. i have 21 in utilities right now, thats all of em, and for an item build..

crystal -> tear
sorc boots
sheen -> lich bane
then i turn the tear into the archangel staff i think it is?
void staff

from there just all depends on how the match is going, im still learning a lot and i still make mistakes and with the changes ill probably alter the build not sure how yet still deciding.. but ive done well with him, before ryze i was sion but i like the ranged champions, ezreal also works well


i do like your approach on CD's.. there are times i wish my cooldowns were just slightly faster, i feel id get that many more kills, i might take that into consideration when i alter the build and start building my runebook now that im over level 20


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Pinith

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04-08-2010

You should really consider haunting guise on rhyze now. It gives you a lot of nice stats, and with ult+spell flux you can really make the most of the spell vamp.


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Beddlam

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05-05-2010

First of all Iíd like to say that I like this guide and Iíve used this build with great success. That being said, Iím just not buying the ďRyze doesnít scale well with APĒ argument. After reading this guide I thought, "well who does scale well with AP?" so I ran the numbers on the various heroes listed as ďmageĒ and I didnít really see other champs who scale better. After reading the forums and some guides to other champs, it seemed like Viegar was considered ďthe AP champ.Ē So I compared Ryzeís skills to Viegarís Ultimate which scales at 1.2, one of the best ratios in the game. I took into consideration that Spell Flux hits 6 times (5 bounces means 6 hits) and Rune Prison ticks 6 times at max level.


Spell Flux (.38)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
130 __0 130 6 _780 000 100.00 0
130 _50 149 6 _894 114 114.62 14.62
130 100 168 6 1008 114 129.23 14.62
130 150 187 6 1122 114 143.85 14.62
130 200 206 6 1236 114 158.46 14.62
130 250 225 6 1350 114 173.08 14.62

Rune Prison (.2)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
40 __0 _40 6 240 00 100 0
40 _50 _50 6 300 60 125 25
40 100 _60 6 360 60 150 25
40 150 _70 6 420 60 175 25
40 200 _80 6 480 60 200 25
40 250 _90 6 540 60 225 25
40 300 100 6 600 60 250 25

Primordial Burst (1.2)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
400 __0 400 1 400 00 100 0
400 _50 460 1 460 60 115 15
400 100 520 1 520 60 130 15
400 150 580 1 580 60 145 15
400 200 640 1 640 60 160 15
400 250 700 1 700 60 175 15
400 300 760 1 760 60 190 15

*sorry I couldnít figure out how to format the tables better*

So for each 50 AP Spell flux adds 114 Damage, while Rune Prison and Primordial Burst each add 60 damage per 50 AP. Donít like flat damage increase stat? Primordial Burst does edge out Spell flux by .38% Damage increase/50 AP, but Rune Prison kills both at 25%. (Personally I think the percentage stat means nothing because it is so dependent on base damage, but otherís in this thread have brought it up so I included it.)

A couple of points that I should note:

1) The Spell Flux numbers assume it hits an enemy on every bounce. If it runs out of targets to hit or has to bounce off you, the numbers drop. However you can usually find someone to bounce it off of. Even if you need to bounce it off yourself, 3 hits at 50 AP adds 57 damage, almost the same as Primordial Burst, and thatís if you donít have your Ultimate activated.

2) What about Overload? Yes, out of your 3 damage skills 1 of them scales at a mediocre (not poor) .45 and it does scale better with mana, but mana doesnít add any damage to your other 2 skills. AP increases damage for all skills.

3) Using this logic there are other skills that scale even better. True. Nunuís ultimate scales at an astonishing 2.5 and Is AOE so if you catch 2 champs itís incredible, and if you catch 3 or more itís insane. Fiddlesticksí Dark Wind is also amazing (10 hits at .35) and Annieís Incinerate and Tibbers summon are both very good if you can hit multiple champs. The final lesson is that multiple target and multiple tick spells scale much better with AP than their ratios alone indicate. Oh, and Ryzeís Ultimate makes all his skills AOE.


Iím not saying that CD reduction isnít a great and effective way to build Ryze. What I am saying is that, while he may not scale as well as he used to, if you look at other AP dependent champs, Ryze scales as well as any of them (with the possible exception of Nunu, whose ratios are insane).


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fredyybob

Senior Member

05-05-2010

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Originally Posted by Beddlam View Post
First of all Iíd like to say that I like this guide and Iíve used this build with great success. That being said, Iím just not buying the ďRyze doesnít scale well with APĒ argument. After reading this guide I thought, "well who does scale well with AP?" so I ran the numbers on the various heroes listed as ďmageĒ and I didnít really see other champs who scale better. After reading the forums and some guides to other champs, it seemed like Viegar was considered ďthe AP champ.Ē So I compared Ryzeís skills to Viegarís Ultimate which scales at 1.2, one of the best ratios in the game. I took into consideration that Spell Flux hits 6 times (5 bounces means 6 hits) and Rune Prison ticks 6 times at max level.


Spell Flux (.38)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
130 __0 130 6 _780 000 100.00 0
130 _50 149 6 _894 114 114.62 14.62
130 100 168 6 1008 114 129.23 14.62
130 150 187 6 1122 114 143.85 14.62
130 200 206 6 1236 114 158.46 14.62
130 250 225 6 1350 114 173.08 14.62

Rune Prison (.2)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
40 __0 _40 6 240 00 100 0
40 _50 _50 6 300 60 125 25
40 100 _60 6 360 60 150 25
40 150 _70 6 420 60 175 25
40 200 _80 6 480 60 200 25
40 250 _90 6 540 60 225 25
40 300 100 6 600 60 250 25

Primordial Burst (1.2)
base AP dam hits total +dam % base %diff
400 __0 400 1 400 00 100 0
400 _50 460 1 460 60 115 15
400 100 520 1 520 60 130 15
400 150 580 1 580 60 145 15
400 200 640 1 640 60 160 15
400 250 700 1 700 60 175 15
400 300 760 1 760 60 190 15

*sorry I couldnít figure out how to format the tables better*

So for each 50 AP Spell flux adds 114 Damage, while Rune Prison and Primordial Burst each add 60 damage per 50 AP. Donít like flat damage increase stat? Primordial Burst does edge out Spell flux by .38% Damage increase/50 AP, but Rune Prison kills both at 25%. (Personally I think the percentage stat means nothing because it is so dependent on base damage, but otherís in this thread have brought it up so I included it.)

A couple of points that I should note:

1) The Spell Flux numbers assume it hits an enemy on every bounce. If it runs out of targets to hit or has to bounce off you, the numbers drop. However you can usually find someone to bounce it off of. Even if you need to bounce it off yourself, 3 hits at 50 AP adds 57 damage, almost the same as Primordial Burst, and thatís if you donít have your Ultimate activated.

2) What about Overload? Yes, out of your 3 damage skills 1 of them scales at a mediocre (not poor) .45 and it does scale better with mana, but mana doesnít add any damage to your other 2 skills. AP increases damage for all skills.

3) Using this logic there are other skills that scale even better. True. Nunuís ultimate scales at an astonishing 2.5 and Is AOE so if you catch 2 champs itís incredible, and if you catch 3 or more itís insane. Fiddlesticksí Dark Wind is also amazing (10 hits at .35) and Annieís Incinerate and Tibbers summon are both very good if you can hit multiple champs. The final lesson is that multiple target and multiple tick spells scale much better with AP than their ratios alone indicate. Oh, and Ryzeís Ultimate makes all his skills AOE.


Iím not saying that CD reduction isnít a great and effective way to build Ryze. What I am saying is that, while he may not scale as well as he used to, if you look at other AP dependent champs, Ryze scales as well as any of them (with the possible exception of Nunu, whose ratios are insane).
you missed out on zilean with his double time bomb is a 2.2 ap


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Apokalupsis

Senior Member

06-03-2010

Tried this guide...it definitely seems that it is dependent upon the rest of the team (how they are doing). It isn't a guide for new players to Ryze either IMO.

Dmg output seems to be lacking a bit...tough to get items w/ no dmg against a decent team.


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Telandra

Senior Member

06-03-2010

this build is dead, even at mid elo it's mediocre.