Bloodthirster Change

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Stacona

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03-06-2013

With Blade of the Ruined King being the sustain item for basic attackers, mostly ranged attack damage carries, Bloodthirster has the highest flat AD ideal for AD casters/assassins.

Since an AD caster/assassin relies on their abilities to deal damage and not auto attacks - Bloodthirster's lifesteal ends up being a wasted stat for them, so Bloodthirster should fulfill the role for AD casters and have AD and spell vamp instead of AD and lifesteal, this way the item will be a big ticket item for AD casters/assassins and Blade of the Ruined King be for auto attackers/ADC.

So Bloodthirster:
Total Cost 3200
Starts 70 AD and stacks to 100 AD
Starts 12% spell vamp and stacks to 20% spell vamp


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wontfight

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03-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Stacona View Post

So Bloodthirster:
Total Cost 3200
Starts 70 AD and stacks to 100 AD
Starts 12% spell vamp and stacks to 20% spell vamp
they tried giving AD carries a spell vamp item when the new TT came out. it broke the map. so riot learned. i suggest that you get a rageblade if you want spell vamp on a decent AD item


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Stacona

Senior Member

03-07-2013

that isnt for ad caster that is still for auto attackers and hybrids like jax

also that item was broken because it literally gave every single stat with health, pen, ad, spell vamp, cdr, etc


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67chrome

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03-07-2013

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Originally Posted by wontfight View Post
they tried giving AD carries a spell vamp item when the new TT came out. it broke the map. so riot learned. i suggest that you get a rageblade if you want spell vamp on a decent AD item
It was for AD Casters, not AD Carries. AD Carries are pretty horrible on Twisted Treelines, so bad Riot had to remove Thornmail from that map. Usually Twisted Treeline teams are running with a mage or assassin for their squish champion, if they run with anyone squishy at all.


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awkwardbowman

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03-07-2013

Bloodthirster is still a viable pick for most AD's. if you look up a lot of information or do the calculations yourself, it's a lot more balanced now where you can usually pick either with one giving a early advantage and the other being more consistent for sustain. You can pick which path you want without having too much repercussion. So it's still an AD item that you can just swap over to having spell vamp.

That being said, two other people have already pointed out that giving AD casters a Spell Vamp item is already a bit broken. It's difficult to balance with all of the champions out and it's really needed. Most casters are already strong enough and don't need the additional sustain in addition to the amount of burst they can already do. It's similar to why there aren't a ton spell vamp items for mages either, which is mentioned in plenty of other threads if you don't already know the background.


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MarcusGraves

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03-07-2013

its fine for AD casters since they should actually be auto attacking between skills. if you're using a caster that scales with AD it'd be a waste to not use your auto attacks for extra damage between skills thus making the lifesteal useful.


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Stacona

Senior Member

03-14-2013

a melee champion doesnt auto attack a whole lot - the item would essentially become an AD wota