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Should the GP10 passive be moved from Shard to Eleisa's?

Yes 59 78.67%
No 16 21.33%
Voters 75 .

Move GP10 passive from Shard to Eleisa's Miracle.

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TheUnburned

Senior Member

03-05-2013

Eleisa's Miracle is an interesting item. It's definitely a cool idea for the game, but it's never used. Mainly because a support doesn't want to give up the GP10 from philo stone for an item that's not nearly as useful as Shurelya's Revelrie.

Shard of True Ice, on the other hand, is a niche item. It's built in situations where the active is appropriate. The GP10 passive is completely unnecessary to fill this niche.

Solution? Switch the GP10 passive to Eleisa's Miracle. Suddenly, it looks like an amazing item. It gives the support a GP10 passive that lasts the entire game without taking up an item slot. It wouldn't be considered a MANDATORY item no more than Shard is considered a mandatory item. It would automatically make support summoner spells like Heal and CV more attractive choices, just to synergize with building the item.

Thoughts?

Updates:

Note on the bruiser abuse situation. Remember that 1100 gold is about 50 CS. So there would be a huge opportunity cost for building this item in Top Lane or the Jungle. Moreso than there was for Philo or HoG in S2, since it can't be built into anything or sold after being absorbed.

Additional Ideas:

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Noraver:
The way you could add a permanent GP10 to Miracle, is to put something in the Support Mastery Tree that lets you use it. Something deeper into the tree, so bruisers and casters won't abuse it without sacrificing other more important trees.


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SkeithGotBanned

Member

03-05-2013

Quote:
TheUnburned:
Eleisa's Miracle is an interesting item. It's definitely a cool idea for the game, but it's never used. Mainly because a support doesn't want to give up the GP10 from philo stone for an item that's not nearly as useful as Shurelya's Revelrie.

Shard of True Ice, on the other hand, is a niche item. It's built in situations where the active is appropriate. The GP10 passive is completely unnecessary to fill this niche.

Solution? Switch the GP10 passive to Eleisa's Miracle. Suddenly, it looks like an amazing item. It gives the support a GP10 passive that lasts the entire game without taking up an item slot. It wouldn't be considered a MANDATORY item no more than Shard is considered a mandatory item. It would automatically make support summoner spells like Heal and CV more attractive choices, just to synergize with building the item.

Thoughts?


But the item will be consumed when the support gets enough levels.


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TheUnburned

Senior Member

03-05-2013

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SkeithGotBanned:
But the item will be consumed when the support gets enough levels.


Read Eleisa's passive:
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Unique Passive – Eleisa's Blessing: If you gain 3 levels with this item, you gain all the effects permanently and this item is consumed.


In other words, if the GP10 was another effect of the item, it too would apply permanently. Along with the health/mana regen and the CDR reduction on support summoner spells.


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awkwardbowman

Senior Member

03-05-2013

I'm not sure about giving it a permanent gp10, but it would be nice to have something more to it. It's hard to want to build it as a support since it takes away the gp10 and you would rather get Shurelya's anyway, and most other people dont' have the summoner spells to want it anyway.


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TheUnburned

Senior Member

03-05-2013

Well the idea is that the permanent GP10 can't be overpowered, because otherwise Shard would be taken every game, and it's not. Of course it has the benefit of not taking up an item slot, but it seems like this could be a great way to give supports a boost when on a losing team (when it becomes hard to get ANY gold through assists)


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Cards and Dice

Senior Member

03-05-2013

Would be amazing on Janna.

I main Janna as support, and as I don't usually get Flash or Ghost on her, opting for Heal/Exhaust instead, Elesia's is great because it reduces Heal's cooldown, giving Janna more of a heal ability that she lacked. The gp10 would definitely help her out.


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iRequiem

Senior Member

03-06-2013

The only reason why eleisa isnt used is because everyone is so caught up with building the standard builds everyone copies and the builds and it takes away from the core items. What makes it not viable in any current build is the fact not many people run CV, Heal, or Clarity anymore. Everyone will usually follow what the pro players build hence the reason why Exhaust is ran on the support now because they are about aggressive plays. Which is why eleisa's passive is useless. CV, Heal, and Clarity are all sustain and defensive spells.


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Ssraeshza Tvyl

Member

03-06-2013

He's saying it SHOULD have it.


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Sleepey

Senior Member

03-06-2013

I like the idea, but it cannot be stackable with another philo after the item has been consume. It will still retain its Unique: Transmute so you cant buy another philo for extra gold income.


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Hallagenic

Senior Member

03-06-2013

I think.. in that case you would have alot of none support build into it early just to reap the passive benefits throughout the game.. ur a jungler need some sustain.. grab it.. now you have more gold for the whole game.. ur a solo top.. well philo is a great sustain item top.. build it into elisea.. now you have more free gp5 plus sustain.


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