Better nerf Nidalee spears

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MadKouki

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03-04-2013

Just would like to bring up somepoints:

-The spear need to go almost full range to do that much damage and is freaking easy to dodge unless you'v a 5inch screen.

-If your carry or your AP mid is enought bad to get caught by a spear max range behind the tanks and minions, then don't even ask why you are losing. If they'r infront of the group, then it's their fault fo not knowing how to play.

-Nid is one of the most useless champ in teamfights, she needs a big range to do damage wich means she as to stay far from fight and will throw max 1 or 2 spears wich ARE NOT ALWAYS TOUCHING.

-If you'r enought stupid to chase Nid in jungle, then dont be surprised to be distanced and taking spears from you'r predictable moves.

Thats it, nidalee doesn't have a huge burst like most AP, she doesn't have any CC, she as a poke. Avoid the poke or engage her and she is as no effect on the game.


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Peligrad

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03-04-2013

Nobody can tank through an AP nid's spears... you have to dodge them.

You can be Garen built full tank and those spears will still chunk you if she has build full AP/CDR.

The best defense against Nid while being sieged is to use wards so that she doesn't have fog of war to abuse and also hide behind minions whenever possible. Make sure not to hug a wall or a turret because you'll pinch yourself out of directions you can use to dodge...


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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03-04-2013

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Originally Posted by RedAndBlack14 View Post
early defense on adc or mid is **** dude, what about do some damage

spear level 10 nid do so much damage and ADC or mid with defense level 10 is just ****

is not fun, and is not about running in circles or any****, is about DAMAGE of the ****ing spear
I took a spear as cass. I was underleveled too. But I have chesthair and I was moving in to kill a b****. I got that kill and the damage wasnt even noteworthy cuz I wasnt hightailing it in fear. Fight or gtfo. Nid shouldnt have time for more than one full power spear unless she's in persuit. She has no teamfight presence unless fed and even then you can still dodge that **** if you arent one of those who has any business being an easy target


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Peligrad

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03-04-2013

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wrong stuff

NO...

AP Nid is amazing...

She works a little differently than most APs though...

She is the initiator. Her spears will initiate a team fight... its important to understand this when playing with or against Nid.

The pros love Nid for this reason. All you have to do is position to jump on the enemy team and have Nid chuck spears and wait for one to land on the right target.

If you hit a carry, then your tank or bruiser can become an assassin and jump in and finish that target off.

Unlike most APs who use a bunch of CDs to burst someone, Nid uses one spell instead.

She's not bad, she's not useless, she's actually really great... she just works a bit differently.

Her CC is range. If you can't fight back, then you technically are CC'd.

Her big nuke is her spear.

She has a one spell combo... max range + AP + spear = effective

That's why she has the crazy mobility and why she can lay traps. She's designed to play out this way...


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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03-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
Nobody can tank through an AP nid's spears... you have to dodge them.

You can be Garen built full tank and those spears will still chunk you if she has build full AP/CDR.

The best defense against Nid while being sieged is to use wards so that she doesn't have fog of war to abuse and also hide behind minions whenever possible. Make sure not to hug a wall or a turret because you'll pinch yourself out of directions you can use to dodge...
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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
Nobody can tank through an AP nid's spears...
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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
spears...
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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
plural of spear
nobody can tank through her spears....
anybody can tank through her spear....

even at half cooldowns you shouldnt be getting hit with more than one anyways unless theyve got you completely pinned down in which case youve got bigger problems than nidalee anyways


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D4 Gu1t4r

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03-04-2013

If you're getting killed by Nidalee spears, get in there and kill her. If she stacked ap, she has minimal defense. Yes she can run away quickly, that's what stuns and slows are for.

Though frankly, considering all the picks and bans is LCS, I'm expecting a damage nerf to happen.


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Peligrad

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03-04-2013

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
nobody can tank through her spears....
anybody can tank through her spear....

even at half cooldowns you shouldnt be getting hit with more than one anyways unless theyve got you completely pinned down in which case youve got bigger problems than nidalee anyways
No....just no...

I really wonder if you are playing the same game sometimes...

If one of your carries takes a spear to the face...its going to be sub 50% hp.

Her cat form is designed to pounce on a low hp target and execute it...

You'd be playing right into her hand jumping in on her at 50% hp...

Plus Nidalee isn't going to let you close on her if she doesn't want you to...

She's one of the most mobile champions in the game. If you think you can just gap close on her from 1500 range you are an idiot...

Not to mention she should be using fog anyway so you don't know exactly where she is.

not to mention she should have teammates lurking around.

If her team is sieging you, that's when she really shines because there aren't many, if any counter play options available...ESPECIALLY if one of you takes a spear to the dome.

The best way to counter Nid is to hard initiate on her team before they get set up to siege.

tl;dr: If one of your carries catches a spear. Back off, give up the objective, and go heal up because Nid has won at that point.


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Jesustim

Senior Member

03-04-2013

if you can't dodge skillshots in a team fight and you ARENT actively CC'ed your a bad mechanical player and deserve to eat one


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Vyrolf

Senior Member

03-04-2013

The pro players can dodge her spears all day, eventually though, one will hit, either by chance, or from a brief moment of inattention, at which point the fight will basically become 4 vs 5. If that team has good coordination they will definitely capitalize on it. Personally, I find it to be a bit unfair that Nidalee can simply move about and lob them through the fog of war with little opportunity of retaliation and still cause that significant of an effect on basically any fight. I think the damage percent cap of 250% at max range should be lowered, somewhere around 175-200% range.

She will still have the capability of chunking down the squishier champions, but not at such a dramatic amount they they are removed from the fight after a single hit. The team will have to decide whether the player who was struck can continue participating in the team fight/siege or not, rather than it be already decided for them.


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Corey Tud

Senior Member

03-04-2013

If her spear is nerfed, AP nidalee will have nothing left. Her ap ratios on cougar form become irrelevant because she has a hard time fighting up close now with the recent nerfs to cougar form. Her traps aren't a significant source of damage. All Nid can do is chuck spears. It's damn exciting to play with/against. When playing against her just avoid prolonged ranged engagements.