BotRK instead of Phantom Dancer?

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Eleven13

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03-01-2013

Hey everyone,

I posted this in GD and was left with 1 down vote and no comments....good ol' GD.....so I just let that thread die but I'd really like some feedback or opinions on this subject.

I chose adc as my "main" role for season 3, so I've been playing around with some different builds and build orders, mainly trying to play around with BotRK and SotD.

Naturally, BotRK is changed just as soon as I was starting to regularly incorporate it, but now I'm curious about a new build order. Before I would replace my BT with BotRK entirely then go PD and IE/LW/whatever depending on the game.

However, now that BotRK gives attack speed, would it be viable for me to rush my BT, then get the standard greaves followed by a BotRK? I figure it'd give me massive life steal with the added damage of BT along with as much AS as a PD alone without boots. Plus BotRK's active would make dueling very easy.

What do you think? Would it be efficient? Is it a dumb "niche" idea based on certain team comps? Any opinions would be great.

Thanks!


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Tristump

Member

03-01-2013

I think there was a mathematical analysis basically saying the the new BoTRK is the best first item on ADCs right now. I like to run BoTRK and Statik Shiv, especially on Vayne. With the extra AS and how easily they're built, and the low recipe cost at that make them really strong.


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Eleven13

Senior Member

03-01-2013

Thanks for the input, so it'd be better to go BotRK first? I also wonder about static shiv too....when is it better to go PD than it is to go static or SotD, etc?


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Nightwhite3

Senior Member

03-01-2013

The blade of the ruined king is an amazing item but I wouldn't replace my BT, I always replace my last whisper with the botrk though because most people build flat health which the botrk can tear through. With the buff to it you should get it for sure but replace it with lw instead of bt. My current endgame build is: Bloodthirster, Phantom Dancer, Blade of The Ruined King, Infinity Edge, Statikk Shiv and then I sell my boots for a Zephyr when fully built.


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Psykosocialist

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03-01-2013

Honestly it feels like Kog'Maw is going to ruin (huehuehuehue) lane now because of this.
I hope other ADCs continue to be played, Kog'Maw's additive range can be quite annoying to deal with and he shreds any tanky team apart late game.
There are still many better than him, although. He's not a very good pick because of how weak his early game is.


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Madraac

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03-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Eleven13 View Post
Thanks for the input, so it'd be better to go BotRK first? I also wonder about static shiv too....when is it better to go PD than it is to go static or SotD, etc?
Early game, Static is better and late game could be considered better for ADC's that do not have AOE effects for wave clearing. However, once you get ready for your 4th item, assuming IE, boots, and either BT or BotRK, PD starts to outshine Static for pure damage on a single target due to your crit rates being above 50%. I would honestly tell you to go for whichever makes you more comfortable, and secondly how the team is doing. If the game is close and no team is getting snowballed, PD is the better purchase as you can assume a long game that will allow for high gold farming. If you are already snowballing and expect the game to last 30 minutes, Static is probably the way to go.


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Eleven13

Senior Member

03-01-2013

Thanks for all of the input guys.

I like the idea of replacing LW with BotRK, it makes sense especially in the current state of the game.

So on any carry, I'm going BotRK>Greaves>BT>PD/SS>[situational end game items]? I have all of the adcs but kog is the one I'm most afraid to try in solo queue just because of how squishy he is, my main adcs right now are vayne and cait but I feel like I need someone more durable like graves as well. I feel like his passive+botRK+BT will have a ton of sustain.


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M4nTiCoR3

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03-02-2013

Anyone with on hit components also greatly benefit from the new bork. Ive been eperimenting with my jungle Warwick and Fiora builds because it applies the life steal to thier Ults.


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Eleven13

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03-02-2013

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Anyone with on hit components also greatly benefit from the new bork. Ive been eperimenting with my jungle Warwick and Fiora builds because it applies the life steal to thier Ults.
Yeah that's actually a really good idea, my season 1 ww build back in the day was merc treads>HoG>wits end>malady>blood razor and it was awesome, BotRK might even do a better job considering the active.


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Sylvr

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03-02-2013

You have to understand the trade-offs for replacing your standard ADC items with BotRK or Shiv. Attack Damage, Crit, and Attack Speed all scale off of each other (and Lifesteal scales with all of them). Ideally, you want as much of all 3 as you can since they multiply your damage. With BotRK and Shiv, you're sinking some of your gold into stats/effects that don't scale as well. If you can't put the extra utility to use from these items, then they will hurt you in the long run. It's up to you to recognize when you need their niche effects, or when the straight DPS will benefit you more.

As for whether you replace BT, PD, or even IE with that BotRK, it really depends on the champion and the team. You don't want to give up too much of any of the Holy Trinity of ADC stats (AD, AS, Crit), so you want to make sure that, whichever one you're giving up, you can try to make up for somewhere outside of items.

Unfortunately, if you replace your PD or your IE, then you won't have many other options for Crit. As such, BT is usually the item that gets pushed aside since the AD is generally easier to make up.


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