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Why is Black Cleaver bad on ADC?

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ProPecker

Senior Member

02-21-2013

+200 Health +50 Attack Damage +10% Cooldown Reduction
UNIQUE: +10 Armor Penetration Passive: Dealing physical damage to an enemy champion reduces their Armor by 6.25% for 4 seconds. This effect stacks up to 4 times.

Why is this bad again? 50 damage + armor pen not enough for the gold or something?


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Shaboopie

Senior Member

02-21-2013

Because if you put in on your bruiser or initiator, the passive stacks on the enemies before the ADC gets into the fight, leading to them doing more damage, and with that item on the bruiser, the ADC can focus more pure damage.

In short, it isn't bad on an ADC. But it's a lot better on a bruiser or initiator.


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Voidgolem

Senior Member

02-21-2013

5 hits for full effect? You'll be dead by then.


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ProPecker

Senior Member

02-21-2013

Quote:
Shaboopie:
Because if you put in on your bruiser or initiator, the passive stacks on the enemies before the ADC gets into the fight, leading to them doing more damage, and with that item on the bruiser, the ADC can focus more pure damage



Its not a unique passive, wouldnt multiple instances stack?
Sounds like your saying its kind of the same thing as Bulwark. You dont want multiples throughout the team?


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ProPecker

Senior Member

02-21-2013

Quote:
Voidgolem:
5 hits for full effect? You'll be dead by then.


How about with ezreal :P
And I think its 4 now.


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Niqhtmare x

Senior Member

02-21-2013

its not bad

but there are better items, so by buying it, you lose gold value


why dont people buy bloodthirster on katarina, if her ult scales off ad as well?
not because bt is bad on katarina, but because there are better items


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Pantsukun

Senior Member

02-21-2013

ADCs generally don't need CDR.

Unless ur urgot.
Or ezreal.


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Shaboopie

Senior Member

02-21-2013

Quote:
ProPecker:
Its not a unique passive, wouldnt multiple instances stack?
Sounds like your saying its kind of the same thing as Bulwark. You dont want multiples throughout the team?

Pretty sure they hotfixed it to make it so multiple BCs don't stack...


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할배님

Member

02-21-2013

because buying other dmg items gives more dmg


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Prophyrian

Member

02-21-2013

Quote:
Shaboopie:
Because if you put in on your bruiser or initiator, the passive stacks on the enemies before the ADC gets into the fight, leading to them doing more damage, and with that item on the bruiser, the ADC can focus more pure damage.

In short, it isn't bad on an ADC. But it's a lot better on a bruiser or initiator.


This and the fact that it is slowly being nerfed to really only benefit certain champs that have abilities that repeatedly proc the armor debuff, i.e. Panth, Garen, Wukong, etc...


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