Dominion is broken

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MyDeadGrandma

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02-20-2013

Kassadin is the only person on that team who is an issue.

Cant believe people still complain about Yorick after all this time.


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Auryiel

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02-20-2013

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Kassadin is the only person on that team who is an issue.

Cant believe people still complain about Yorick after all this time.
He is INCREDIBLY annoying to play against. Doesn't help that he's actually good on top of it
Unless you're someone like Ziggs who can stalemate bot lane forever or a very, very strong duelist with good wave clearing ability, there's nothing you can do versus Yorick

He either shoves and runs or he shoves and smacks you on the face if you get in range of his ghouls

He's probably the most frustrating bot laner, along with Nunu


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MyDeadGrandma

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02-20-2013

Jax, Nasus, Malzahar, Vayne, Heimer, Malzahar, Zyra, Anivia, Fizz, Singed, Nunu Alistar, Maokai Mordekaiser all do fine against Yorick.

It's almost like another game mode, where a certain lane favours certain character traits!


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Stark Midnight

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02-20-2013

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Kassadin is the only person on that team who is an issue.

Cant believe people still complain about Yorick after all this time.
Maybe because Dom is full of broken champions. Yorick can curbstomp almost anyone who goes against him due to doms unlimited mana and weak turrets. Jayce scales to well throughout the entire game allowing him to become a monster, Talon forces entire teams to build obsene amounts of armor even if he's the only one on the field with physical damage.

Dominion is really a PvP game mode unlike SR which is a hybrid. The Pve aspect of farming/laning is wholly pushed out the window. Champs that are suppose to be balanced by these game assets are then ludicrously OP. Since you have these OP champs appearing in every game due to the fact that draft mode is a 15min+ queue, they make dozens of champs completely unviable just due to their presence.

Any changes to a champion is almost never due to the fact that is OP in dominion, like Jayce's mana nerf. Does absolutely nothing to him in dominion.


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MyDeadGrandma

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02-20-2013

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Maybe because Dom is full of broken champions. Yorick can curbstomp almost anyone who goes against him due to doms unlimited mana and weak turrets. Jayce scales to well throughout the entire game allowing him to become a monster, Talon forces entire teams to build obsene amounts of armor even if he's the only one on the field with physical damage.

Dominion is really a PvP game mode unlike SR which is a hybrid. The Pve aspect of farming/laning is wholly pushed out the window. Champs that are suppose to be balanced by these game assets are then ludicrously OP.

Since you have these OP champs appearing in every game due to the fact that draft mode is a 15min+ queue, they make dozens of champs completely unviable just due to their presence.
Kassadin is the only hero that locks out an entire champ arechtype (casters). If he were to drop off the map tomorrow, nearly every hero would be viable in the right setup, save for the few forsaken champs (i.e. xerath), which is the same for summoners rift.

And the sad truth is, summoners rift still and will always have OP champs running rampant, which is a testament to Riot's balancing priorities. You cant send just anybody toplane, it has to either be a ridiculously powercreeped bruiser, or a specific ranged counter-pick to the enemy bruiser. Better consider what AP you send mid, you might get dicked by the enemy AD assassin.

Run a kill lane bot? Try that against any halfway decent ad/support combo.

Botlane Dominion is the same thing, regardless of whether or not Riot actually gives a damn.


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Fruden999

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02-20-2013

Dudes, complaining about kassadin is great, he is the ultimate champ here. But this is season 3 and the new items mean almost everyone outside of the very top champs can be countered fine. For talon wukong teemu eve akali the anti stealth items are extremely effective at countering them and keeping them from snowballing. For bottom lane, some combination between swift boots speed enchant gauntlet mallet hurricane means most ranged champs can stalemate bottom with little help from tops.

Clearly the mode isnt as well balanced as it should, facing kass + kaz + jc + amumu + nidalee with trundle + nami + tf + viktor + tryn is most likely going to be a loss. Just take a break during kassadin free week and the rest of the time if you play a kassadin spammer wait 5 minutes after the game before requeuing to dodge him/her and you'll save yourself from the worst dominion has to offer.


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Auryiel

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02-21-2013

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Kassadin is the only hero that locks out an entire champ arechtype (casters). If he were to drop off the map tomorrow, nearly every hero would be viable in the right setup, save for the few forsaken champs (i.e. xerath), which is the same for summoners rift.

And the sad truth is, summoners rift still and will always have OP champs running rampant, which is a testament to Riot's balancing priorities. You cant send just anybody toplane, it has to either be a ridiculously powercreeped bruiser, or a specific ranged counter-pick to the enemy bruiser. Better consider what AP you send mid, you might get dicked by the enemy AD assassin.

Run a kill lane bot? Try that against any halfway decent ad/support combo.

Botlane Dominion is the same thing, regardless of whether or not Riot actually gives a damn.
Although I generally agree with you, I feel the need to point out that most of the time, champions that are overpowered in SR are actually very, very strong. On Dominion, however, some champions are just completely overpowered.

SR doesn't have an equivalent to Dominion's Kassadin. The closest it had was Zyra, who got hot-fixed. Kassadin on Dominion is widely accepted as the most broken champion ever and this has remained a fact for.... Forever? And it will remain a fact as long as something isn't done about it, because Kassadin is perfectly balanced on Summoner's Rift and Summoner's Rift is the only map that has any weight on the game's balance.

Balance through item is limited and can also lead to very stupid scenarios where an item that was intended for a class or sub-class of champions that need help ends up being abused by champions that don't actually need any help to begin with. At some point, you have no choice but to directly balance the champions that are unbalanced (both the strong and the weak ones). And as long as you have that many champions that are simply OP on Dominion, the mode will never be taken seriously.

I really love playing Dominion, but I have a hard time caring about it when I see what Kassadin, Kha'Zix and Jayce can do on this map.


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Foxley

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02-22-2013

There should be a Dominion only item with an active which prevents a single target from using blinks/dashes/movement abilities and summoners for ~5 seconds.

If they made a Teemo hard counter item, they can make one for Kassadin.

Or, they could reduce Riftwalk's range so it can't go through most walls. If they can nerf the bejeesus out of some ults' ranges (like Ziggs and Pantheon) they can nerf Kassadin's Riftwalk range too.


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Chaosos

Senior Member

02-22-2013

1. Ziggs ult has always been its current range, only range nerfs on globals to semi-globals were TF and panth.

2. Kass is an issue because on SR he is balanced out by his weak pre-6. As has been demonstrated in the LCS, Kass dominates the game post-6 even on SR. The only thing is on SR his dominance post-6 is heavily gated by how well he is able to farm pre-6, while dom has no such issue, and so that's why he's broken on dom. Other thing is there isn't a hyper late game on dom ever where it's everyone is as 5 and full items (Kass' tankiness and damage do start to fall of to semi-reasonable levels at 5 and 6 items), and then on SR global mobility outside of splitpushing isn't as important hyper late game.

Summary: Riot, stop trying to balance champs to only have one dominant phase, because other modes that aren't SR emphasize some phases over others.


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Happy Lulu

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02-22-2013

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Personally I am not a fan of having different "same" champs on SR and Dom.
I would prefer some Dom specific items that counteract these individual champions' strengths. And as itemization goes, there is a lot of room for improvement on Dom.
This kind of attitude is exactly why Dominion will always be a unbalanced joke of a gamemode.

Dominion and Summoners Rift are fundamentally different gamemodes and because of that it is impossible to have both be even remotely balanced at the same time with the champions being the same between the two modes.


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