[Game][Feedback] Fiora tweak suggestions,

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Peligrad

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02-20-2013

Also, I like your solutions.

Don't mind Cereal....he plays at a level where he really doesn't know anything about balance...


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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Frozen heart, randuin's omen, warden's mail, exhaust?

Lee Sin's cripple, nunu's iceball, nasus' wither, darius' crippling strike

What's wrong with AS slows?

Very very few champions get much benefit of AS anyway.
all of those are conditional, not spammable, and/or sure as hell not triggered by any given source of physical damage on a carry champ's PASSIVE who already has 2 damage evasion abilities. That is just WAY too much. Not even urgot who's been nerfed into the ground for his kits sillyness gets to proc his passive just from dealing physical damage and it doesnt slow autoattacks


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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Also, I like your solutions.

Don't mind Cereal....he plays at a level where he really doesn't know anything about balance...
feel free to give an actual explanation of why giving fiora an AS slow is just fine because a caster can do it with a cooldown ability.

Please explain why one of the 2 champs with the strongest AS steroids in the game should also have an AS slow that is proc'd by any form of physical damage.


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Peligrad

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02-20-2013

Wither and Ice ball are not spammable? Dafuq game are you playing?

The duration is as long as the cool down with full cdr...

Frozen heart not spammable? Its a friggin aura!


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Peligrad

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02-20-2013

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feel free to give an actual explanation of why giving fiora an AS slow is just fine because a caster can do it with a cooldown ability.

Please explain why one of the 2 champs with the strongest AS steroids in the game should also have an AS slow that is proc'd by any form of physical damage.
How about the fact that it has to be stacked 5 times for full effect? Coupled with the fact that she has no ranged abilities that don't cause her to fully commit.

How about the fact that AS slow does almost nothing to 80% of the champions in the game.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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Wither and Ice ball are not spammable? Dafuq game are you playing?

The duration is as long as the cool down with full cdr...

Frozen heart not spammable? Its a friggin aura!
I said and/or and how much does that effect cost again? Give her an item like victor's and at least then itll take up an item slot.

and nunu can only do it to one champ. Fiora can do 5 before she even builds tiamat.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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How about the fact that it has to be stacked 5 times for full effect? Coupled with the fact that she has nothing in her kit with any range at all.

How about the fact the AS slow does almost nothing to 80% of the champions in the game.
How about the fact that she has 2 gapclosers, damage evasion, extremely strong AS steroids, MS steroids, and now AS slows? 20% is not an insignificant number assuming its even that low. ANY champ who would ever autoattack is effected by this. It would not even take a second with her Q to get the full 5 stacks. At best their second autoattack will count 1 or 2 stacks right off the bat from the physcal damage engage, lord forbid she had any other way to deal it like the tiamat active or her ult

It might be different if this was at least like vaynes where it can only be on one champ at a time just to stick to the duelist theme though it does seem to go against her lore. (her father was caught cheating by poisoning his opponents and she entered this to regain her honor)


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Peligrad

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02-20-2013

Only if they are pants on head stupid like the kids you play against...

Spread out what 500 units and you can only hit one... and it has to be stacked 5 times.

How fu(king dense do you have to be to get hit by splash damage 5 times!?

And since when is giving Fiora some team fight presence a bad thing? She needs the utility...

Her AS steriod and MS steriod are CONDITIONAL and only last 3 seconds.

Her defensive cd is the WEAKEST ONE IN THE GAME. It makes Teemo's blind look like a fu(king Alistar ult...

Yes she has a double gap closer. That's the highlight of her kit... that's all she has.

Her ult is even piss poor at high ELO. You use it and the enemy player flashes and uses his mobility skill and oops now you're in a turret and dead. Or they just go invisible and it instantly ends...


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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Only if they are pants on head stupid like the kids you play against...

Spread out what 500 units and you can only hit one...

And since when is giving Fiora some team fight presence a bad thing? She needs the utility...
doesn't matter, those stacks are getting put on with way too much ease. This doesnt even require that she autoattack anything not this would even fix the issue. Even doing this to one champ without having to build a thing is way too much. Regardless of what level I play at I'm not stupid. This AS slow is too much. If you want to give her utility then put it on her counter or something or make it an On-spell trigger. At least then theres a cost of any kind.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-20-2013

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Her defensive cd is the WEAKEST ONE IN THE GAME. It makes Teemo's blind look like a fu(king Alistar ult...

Yes she has a double gap closer. That's the highlight of her kit... that's all she has.

Her ult is even piss poor at high ELO. You use it and the enemy player flashes and uses his mobility skill and oops now you're in a turret and dead. Or they just go invisible and it instantly ends...
none of these issues are solved by giving her on-physical AS slows