Requesting JTF"s opinion on my least favorite subject

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Ssraeshza Tvyl

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02-19-2013

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Originally Posted by HetairoiAthenas View Post
That's a terrible argument. Everytime you have *** with a woman, you are acknowledging the chance that you are going to have a child. If you don't want to deal with the consequences, then don't have ***.
That's a REALLY stupid thing to say.

If a woman is pregnant, she can opt out of parenthood at pretty much any stage of the game;
* Abortion
* Adoption
* Safe Haven
* etc.

None of these are legal to do as a man.
If you take your child without the mother and attempt to do the above, you will be charged with several , very serious crimes.

There was a case awhile back when a man fed a woman some pills that caused her to miscarry. He was charged with murder... despite women everywhere NOT being charged with murder for going to get abortions.

My point is, women can opt out of parenthood at any point they desire.
Men cannot.
This is wrong and needs to be changed ASAP.

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No it isn't. There's a reason the State doesn't care if you aren't the father of a child born in wedlock, presumes you the father, and orders you to pay child support--because they don't want to deal with fatherless children who are dependent on a single parent for income and childraising.
Irrelevant. Misandry is no excuse.

The mother is responsible for her own decisions/actions.


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ProbabIyTerribad

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02-19-2013

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That's a terrible argument. Everytime you have *** with a woman, you are acknowledging the chance that you are going to have a child. If you don't want to deal with the consequences, then don't have ***.
She is also acknowledging the possibility. If it's consensual, the man isn't makin the baby, but rather both parties are responsible.


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Ssraeshza Tvyl

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02-19-2013

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She is also acknowledging the possibility. If it's consensual, the man isn't makin the baby, but rather both parties are responsible.
FFS. No, NO. The only person responsible is the person with the power to make the decision, I.e. the woman. NOT THE MAN.

Did you not watch Spiderman?
With great power comes great responsibility?
With zero power comes zero responsibility.
GG'd SON


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HetairoiAthenas

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02-19-2013

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Originally Posted by Ssraeshza Tvyl View Post
That's a REALLY stupid thing to say.

If a woman is pregnant, she can opt out of parenthood at pretty much any stage of the game;
* Abortion
* Adoption
* Safe Haven
* etc.

None of these are legal to do as a man.
If you take your child without the mother and attempt to do the above, you will be charged with several , very serious crimes.

There was a case awhile back when a man fed a woman some pills that caused her to miscarry. He was charged with murder... despite women everywhere NOT being charged with murder for going to get abortions.
Of course it should be her decision, guys don't gestate. Why should they decide whether they want to go through with gestation? Doing something to another person's body without their consent is a serious crime. He deserves to be charged with murder, battery, reckless endangerment of life, etc.

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My point is, women can opt out of parenthood at any point they desire.
Men cannot.
This is wrong and needs to be changed ASAP.
Men can opt out of parenthood simply by not engaging in intercourse. You don't seem to understand this.


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Irrelevant. Misandry is no excuse.

The mother is responsible for her own decisions/actions.
Yes, the first child support laws that were passed by legislatures full of old men were misandrist.

no you moron, they learned that almost all criminals come from single parent families where the mother worked 16hrs/day to provide for the kids, often as a prostitute, leading to more fatherless children, had no fathers, and decided something needed to be done.


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Daniel Jackson

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02-19-2013

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Originally Posted by Ssraeshza Tvyl View Post
That's a REALLY stupid thing to say.

If a woman is pregnant, she can opt out of parenthood at pretty much any stage of the game;
* Abortion
* Adoption
* Safe Haven
* etc.

None of these are legal to do as a man.
If you take your child without the mother and attempt to do the above, you will be charged with several , very serious crimes.
This is kinda nonsensical. It ignores the difference between men and women. They're not the same biologically.

You can make same kinds of decisions and they have the exact same results as the ones you listed above,

* Wear a jimmy hat
* Get a reversible vascectomy
* Don't bang her

Once you made that decision, you've made your choice and you have to live with the results, especially if they're bad ones. You don't get to say "I can bang without consequences" just because you can't control her body.


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02-19-2013

Biology Biology OP, you cant make a baby without two halves


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Ssraeshza Tvyl

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02-19-2013

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Of course it should be her decision, guys don't gestate.
Irrelevant.

The ability to opt out for one side but not for the other is sexist and abhorrent.

If you really want to press the issue, 18 years is much worse than 9 months.

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Men can opt out of parenthood simply by not engaging in intercourse. You don't seem to understand this.
Idiocy of the highest order.

Women can opt out of parenthood post-facto. You know this, you are either being willfully ignorant or pulling a strawman.

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Yes, the first child support laws that were passed by legislatures full of old men were misandrist.
They were indeed misandrist.

Misandry has existed a lot longer than you think.

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no you moron, they learned that almost all criminals come from single parent families
Well Mr. retard, maybe women should be educated/forced to be made responsible for their own actions.
Again, evasion of responsibility for women is not a solution, it is the problem.


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Ssraeshza Tvyl

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02-19-2013

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This is kinda nonsensical. It ignores the difference between men and women. They're not the same biologically.
Irrelevant.

There is no way that men will ever have control of a woman's body/reproductive power. That is the biological difference.
Beyond that, there is no reason that a man should be held responsible for what a woman chooses to do.

Her body, her choice, her responsibility.
Not his body, not his choice, not his problem.

Axiomatic for anyone with any semblance of brain power.
This is why MRAs fight and this is why the movement has grown exponentially in the past couple of years.
GG'd SONS


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HetairoiAthenas

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02-19-2013

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Irrelevant.

The ability to opt out for one side but not for the other is sexist and abhorrent.

If you really want to press the issue, 18 years is much worse than 9 months.
It is not irrelevant. A guy should not have the power to force the woman carrying his baby to destroy the fetus.


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Idiocy of the highest order.

Women can opt out of parenthood post-facto. You know this, you are either being willfully ignorant or pulling a strawman.
Nobody is forcing you to have ***. Your point is irrelevant.



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They were indeed misandrist.

Misandry has existed a lot longer than you think.
That's not misandrist. That's called holding people accountable for their actions.



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Well Mr. retard, maybe women should be educated/forced to be made responsible for their own actions.
Again, evasion of responsibility for women is not a solution, it is the problem.
They are responsible. They have the responsibility of getting an abortion or giving it up for adoption if they can't have the child. If you don't want to have a child with the woman, then don't put it in her cooch


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ChoppazAndDakka

Senior Member

02-19-2013

Both parties are responsible for pregnancy. A woman knows she can get pregnant, a man know he can cause pregnancy. A man having *** with a woman is just as responsible for what happens as she is. If he wants to avoid the complication, he should make sure to only have *** with women he trusts are on proper birth control, and make sure to take proper precautions such as a condom. It took the male to get her pregnant, and thus he can't just bow out just because it's something he didn't want.