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New type of "why am i banned"

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Slowilly

Junior Member

02-16-2013

not that im disputing i should be unbanned, but i dont understand how tribunal can say "Strong Majority" when all of my games are similar to this

Game Type
Proving Grounds
Game Length
19:05
Outcome
Loss
Report Comments
1
Reported by: Enemy
2
Reported by: Ally
Chat LogFilter: AlliesEnemiesAll
Maokai [All] [00:00:25] gl all hf
Teemo [All] [00:00:41] go rot in hell all fo you
Teemo [All] [00:00:46] FO
Maokai [All] [00:00:48] the warwick skin is a bit disterbing
Cho'Gath [All] [00:00:53] rude
Katarina [00:02:42] MY BAD sorry
Ziggs [All] [00:08:00] fear. knockback. fear. silence. fear
Warwick [All] [00:08:05] shut up
Warwick [All] [00:08:15] we have 1 range who isnt good
Teemo [All] [00:08:42] learn to pick better champs dumbass
Warwick [All] [00:08:45] yup
Cho'Gath [All] [00:08:52] I see what you did there
Warwick [All] [00:08:54] reported
Teemo [All] [00:09:02] reported for being a *****
Ziggs [All] [00:09:27] spend too much time taking poke instead of abusing 4 gap closes
Warwick [All] [00:14:14] i rest my case
Ziggs [All] [00:14:29] and i rest mine
Ziggs [All] [00:14:34] you sit back and get poked to 25%
Ziggs [All] [00:14:37] then go in as 4
Cho'Gath [All] [00:14:41] I'm a lawyer
Cho'Gath [All] [00:14:44]
Maokai [All] [00:14:48] and we care beacuse
Warwick [All] [00:14:49] we cant engage
Teemo [All] [00:14:50] i rest my dick in your mouth
Warwick [All] [00:15:47] ur so good bro
Maokai [All] [00:16:19] can we stop fighting and play the game....
Ziggs [All] [00:16:37] >implying we can't do both
Teemo [All] [00:18:39] OWNEEDDD SUCKKKKKERSSS
Teemo [All] [00:18:42] HOWS IT FEEEEL
Teemo [All] [00:18:44] TASTE IT
Cho'Gath [All] [00:18:45] gj, arams
Warwick [All] [00:18:46] so good
Teemo [All] [00:18:48] TASTE YOUR TEARS
Cho'Gath [All] [00:18:48]
Cho'Gath [All] [00:18:54] I like to have fun too.
Teemo [All] [00:18:54] YAH U CRYIN
Warwick [All] [00:18:57] gp5 kat and manamune ez, ur so good
Ziggs [All] [00:18:58] bg2ez
Teemo [All] [00:18:59] U DIEING
Cho'Gath [All] [00:19:00] Gg
Maokai [All] [00:19:01] gg
Teemo [All] [00:19:01] BG2EZ
Ezreal [All] [00:19:03] lol ww
Players
Level
14 Warwick 1/8/9 7097 16
15 Zed 11/5/2 9929 67
14 Cho'Gath 2/9/9 8144 54
14 Ezreal 2/7/10 7836 27
14 Katarina 4/9/7 8662 23




guess who i am


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Qichin

Recruiter

02-16-2013

You could post a link to your entire reform card in order to shed some light on this.


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Slowilly

Junior Member

02-16-2013

just wondering who u think i am in that game, without seeing the blue name, same as if i linked this one

Chat LogFilter: AlliesEnemiesAll
Renekton [00:01:10] lavish brutality
Leona [00:01:22] they warded
Renekton [00:01:34] ill watch red
Renekton [00:01:55] nothing here
Renekton [00:04:49] hec top
Renekton [00:04:56] care mid
Vladimir [All] [00:05:41] wow my q didnt go
Vladimir [00:07:25] ss
Renekton [00:07:40] warded
Vladimir [00:08:00] ganking bot
Vladimir [00:08:20] how do u miss with ulti...
Leona [00:08:25] max range
Vladimir [00:08:32] why did u cast it then
Renekton [00:08:39] hec top
Renekton [00:08:53] care mid
Vladimir [00:10:38] so i could use a hand in mid
Vladimir [00:10:41] just sayin
Vladimir [00:10:53] yup
Vladimir [00:11:47] ss
Renekton [00:12:13] gj vlad
Renekton [00:12:14] no mid
Vladimir [00:12:18] read chat
Renekton [00:12:24] FOLLOW UR LANE
Vladimir [00:12:28] im good
Renekton [00:12:29] WE LOSE TOP NOW
Vladimir [00:12:32] i dont like being *****ed at
Renekton [00:12:32] THATS NOT GOOD
Vladimir [00:12:38] losing mid cuz jungle was top
Vladimir [00:12:40] get no help
Renekton [00:12:44] i dont like mid randomly coming top
Renekton [00:12:50] shut up
Vladimir [00:12:54] u mean u dont like when mid is called mia and comes top?
Renekton [00:12:55] you should be able to lane alone
Vladimir [00:13:01] so should u
Renekton [00:13:08] i ahvent asked for ganks
Vladimir [00:13:18] but uve been getting plenty
Renekton [00:13:22] 2?
Vladimir [00:13:33] i have gotten 1, at lvl 3 which failed horribly
Vladimir [00:13:43] she took no dmg and walked away
Renekton [00:13:46] thasts on you budy
Vladimir [00:13:52] you are so good rene
Vladimir [00:13:54] u know that?


basically im just wondering if my strong majority toxic attitude is warranted of a ban


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Qichin

Recruiter

02-16-2013

In game 1, seeing as how the others on the team didn't say to much, you may have been the Warwick. But that's just random guessing, because I'm just going by the fact that this game ended up in the Tribunal. That game, for me, would lean heavily toward punish.

Game 2, only Vlad and Rene said anything significant, and neither was pleasant. On its own not necessarily a punish, but combined with other games, it doesn't help.

Also, Tribunal judges don't vote to ban. They vote to punish, without knowledge on what type of punishment will be handed out. That's on the person being punished, and his past behavior.


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Slowilly

Junior Member

02-17-2013

and yet in both games what ive said is mild in comparison to what is said to me, you say heavily lean toward punish? or are you saying that "toxic attitude" is "i was the only one saying anything, i get banned for stating anything negative" while being told
"Teemo [All] [00:08:42] learn to pick better champs dumbass
Teemo [All] [00:09:02] reported for being a *****
Teemo [All] [00:14:50] i rest my dick in your mouth"

and having a renek raging at me while i do nothing wrong warrants leaning heavily towards punish?


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Qichin

Recruiter

02-17-2013

This is from the "Understanding the Tribunal" thread:

Quote:
Lyte:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned???
a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.


It doesn't matter if other people in the game are even more toxic than you. It doesn't run on a relative scale for each game. Having some one else who is worse is no excuse to be bad yourself. Yes, that Teemo deserves a punish, had this been his case. But it's not, it's yours. Which means that your actions are the ones being judged.

Of course, given more context (how many games did you have in your case?), I could get a better picture of your reported games. I'll actually have to look over your chat logs and other game stats again, I might have missed something now that I'm looking at what you posted again. I've been awake for 21 hours now, so I'm probably not in the best condition to check that, so hold that thought on the "lean heavily toward punish". Just to be clear, I wouldn't judge any live cases in this state.


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Slowilly

Junior Member

02-17-2013

This TLDR's my questions:
"When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player. "

i dont see why i would have to take a submissive role to someone or an entire team being a ****** or troll


played the game normally, ignored everyone on my team from constant pings from 2-3 people during the "LEASH FOR XIN" portion, and was bashed and reported by team for being unable to help him

"Game Type
Classic
Game Length
44:47
Outcome
Win
Report Comments
1
Reported by: Enemy
2
Reported by: Ally
"Refused to leashe blue for xin, after he connected late , and was abusive the whole game"
Chat LogFilter: AlliesEnemiesAll
Tristana [00:00:24] trist has tons of aoe]
Janna [00:00:35] 2 aoes
Tristana [00:00:42] 1 of them that resets?
Janna [00:00:44] one not a very large aoe
Tristana [00:00:45] on assist?
Janna [00:00:51] yes, but its not got a huge aoe radius
Tristana [00:00:55] the other is a 1.2 ratio?
Tristana [00:01:00] are you nutts?
Janna [00:01:01] i wasnt arguing that
Janna [00:01:06] i said radius, not ratio
Janna [00:01:10] as in size
Ezreal [00:01:11] meh its trist...
Tristana [00:01:21] my aoe is the same size as gragas's barrel
Ezreal [00:01:21] but who cares :P
Tristana [00:01:25] my ulti does just as much dmg
Tristana [00:01:27] and does aoe
Ezreal [00:01:35] jungle afk
Janna [00:01:43] we werent complaining about the aoe damage we were complaining about the aoe knockback
Janna [00:01:47] and his league crashed
Ezreal [00:01:53] ok
Ezreal [00:01:59] good to know
Janna [00:02:04] ya should be back soon
Tristana [00:02:16] ss
Tristana [00:02:22] re
Xin Zhao [00:03:07] can you help blue?
Tristana [00:03:20] dude
Janna [00:03:21] TRISTANA
Tristana [00:03:21] im at my tower
Xin Zhao [00:03:22] trist?
Tristana [00:03:23] shut the **** up
Xin Zhao [00:03:25] yea?
Janna [00:03:27] go help
Tristana [00:03:34] ignored both
Xin Zhao [00:03:41] ty ez
Ezreal [00:03:46] np
Xin Zhao [00:03:46] this trist is ****ing stupid
Xin Zhao [00:03:56] good guy ez
Janna [All] [00:03:58] tristana refuses to leashe, and is being a dick in general report after for abuse thanks
Nidalee [All] [00:04:06] u got it
Xin Zhao [All] [00:04:11] ty
Tristana [All] [00:04:26] i take it my team is complaining i didnt pick gragas and didnt leash for afk xin
Xin Zhao [All] [00:04:31] ???
Xin Zhao [All] [00:04:35] you didnt leash
Janna [All] [00:04:36] xins client crashed, i told the team that
Xin Zhao [All] [00:04:41] that's the problem
Xin Zhao [All] [00:04:47] a bad one
Gangplank [00:05:26] top mia
Gangplank [00:05:27] re
Xin Zhao [00:06:27] omw bot
Xin Zhao [00:06:54] nid
Tristana [00:07:07] ss
Tristana [00:07:09] re
Janna [00:07:13] oops
Xin Zhao [00:07:23] gj haha
Ezreal [00:07:27] ty
Xin Zhao [00:07:30] np
Xin Zhao [00:08:05] omw top
Gangplank [00:08:15] ward where min is
Tristana [00:08:21] mid mia
Gangplank [00:08:25] top mia'
Gangplank [00:09:33] ty
Xin Zhao [00:09:33] gj
Tristana [00:09:58] ss
Xin Zhao [All] [00:10:15] dat gragas yo
Xin Zhao [00:11:49] omw top after red
Xin Zhao [00:12:36] this is ****ing horse****
Ezreal [00:14:31] invisible nid spear...
Varus [All] [00:14:58] dat bait
Tristana [All] [00:15:03] ikr?
Tristana [All] [00:15:14] but whatever, im a troll
Varus [All] [00:15:18] lol
Tristana [All] [00:15:18] i need reported
Xin Zhao [All] [00:15:25] ...
Janna [All] [00:15:25] shes nice in all chat
Xin Zhao [All] [00:15:28] you didnt leash
Xin Zhao [All] [00:15:40] that's not very sportsmanlike
Janna [00:16:26] gp we need 5
Ezreal [00:16:50] b
Ezreal [00:18:32] the spear are just a yellowish aura for me -.-
Xin Zhao [00:21:06] double knockback*
Tristana [All] [00:21:26] be sure to report me
Nidalee [All] [00:21:29] i will
Xin Zhao [All] [00:21:31] shut up ffs
Nidalee [All] [00:21:31] thanks
Tristana [All] [00:21:32] k
Janna [All] [00:21:35] SAME
Janna [00:21:42] caps sry
Xin Zhao [All] [00:21:50] just because you can get kills doesnt mean you dont troll
Janna [00:22:12] 1 sec
Janna [00:24:08] back
Ezreal [00:25:24] guys when we use ult go in pls
Ezreal [00:25:42] q
Tristana [00:26:49] we need wards
Janna [00:26:59] couldnt leave base for like 3 minutes
Janna [00:27:03] thats why
Ezreal [00:27:20] just ward baron pls
Janna [00:27:29] you guys can ward too btw
Ezreal [00:29:30] ty
Janna [00:29:34] np
Tristana [All] [00:31:43] almost got 4 of u
Tristana [All] [00:31:46]
Janna [00:33:11] ok , so next time lets not suicide
Janna [00:33:12] ?
Xin Zhao [00:39:15] nice try haha
Janna [00:39:18] good thinking
Janna [00:40:07] gj
Tristana [All] [00:40:08] report me
Tristana [All] [00:40:10] im troll
Varus [All] [00:40:14] .......early smite.............
Janna [All] [00:40:17] skill =/= nice personj
Nidalee [All] [00:40:28] gg guys
Janna [00:40:55] seige
Janna [00:42:20] nid has oracles
Tristana [00:43:18] ez skyrocketed above me in cs recently lol
Janna [All] [00:44:31] gg
Tristana [All] [00:44:43] gg
Varus [All] [00:44:44] gg
Xin Zhao [All] [00:44:44] ggwp
Ezreal [All] [00:44:47] gg
Players
Level
18 Tristana 9/3/10 13380 162
18 Xin Zhao 3/7/11 12899 117
18 Janna 2/7/19 10663 19
18 Ezreal 11/0/9 16231 239
18 Gangplank 6/9/13 14362 141"

i dont see how the actions of someone being toxic means everyone has to take a submissive role throughout the game. if you realy think that, id like to see you get a promotion thats contested


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Xianio

Senior Member

02-17-2013

You know that anyone can pick sections from reform cards to make themselves look perfectly reasonable.

Perhaps you're one of the few unjust bans. Until we see the WHOLE card it's impossible to know.


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Slowilly

Junior Member

02-17-2013

i dont believe the tribunal review system is fair, u will look at everythign in blue in a negative light since the ban has already passed and look UBERL33t, i know its easy to tell, but reading through u have to keep reminding urself, "oh yea hes banned cuz of this" rather than "yup he said **** you"


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Riverstyx201

Senior Member

02-17-2013

Quote:
Slowilly1212:

i dont see how the actions of someone being toxic means everyone has to take a submissive role throughout the game. if you realy think that, id like to see you get a promotion thats contested


Because, like the quote above states, all retaliation does is multiply the problem and annoy up to eight other people who now have to watch the resulting flame war.

Ignoring the guy and reporting at the end of the game is easier on everyone.