Thoughts on Shatter's proposed changes.

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Prince Kassad

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02-15-2013

I am ok with the changes.

Right now Taric is kind of a "tank" just because he has so much free armor. These changes make Taric more of a "tank" in the sense that he wants to build a lot of armor. Now Taric can't get away with just building Kage's/Shurelia's and other squishy support items, so he has to build defensive items like Aegis and Locket of the Iron Solari.

It makes sense. And the fun part is that these "nerfs" are actually buffs on TT and Dominion, where Taric gets to have farm and can stack more armor.


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Ben Caxton

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02-15-2013

or...or...

they could buff all of the **** tier supports up to Taric's level

but no, the whack-a-mole support nerfs continue


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Strawberrycocoa

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02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Soiyeruda View Post
Also, there's no point in making the ability convert 15%; it's just going to get abused late game to give teams a permanent 40+ armor aura.
Supports are SUPPOSED to provide strong team benefits without fully built items or a lot of gold.


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Soiyeruda

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02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Strawberrycocoa View Post
Supports are SUPPOSED to provide strong team benefits without fully built items or a lot of gold.
This isn't S2. Supports have a lot more gold. I'm just saying that you shouldn't be getting rewarded more than you currently do for building slightly more armor than you did before.

Also, Taric gives AD/AP aura, a guaranteed stun, heal, and armor shred when he isn't making everyone else a mini-tank. Does he really need a 40 armor aura on top of that?


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Ayketh

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02-15-2013

Yes, it's a nerf. But it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Honestly, this is right where I thought he would get nerfed in the first place. The armor that Shatter gave him was pretty impressive.


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ESG Yknits

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02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Soiyeruda View Post
This isn't S2. Supports have a lot more gold. I'm just saying that you shouldn't be getting rewarded more than you currently do for building slightly more armor than you did before.

Also, Taric gives AD/AP aura, a guaranteed stun, heal, and armor shred when he isn't making everyone else a mini-tank. Does he really need a 40 armor aura on top of that?
Because 400 range auras are really useful. and supports do get more gold but dont exaggerate we arent made of money. his heal isnt that great. the main problem is his laning phase just got shat on taric and his adc will be poked much easier in lane forcing him to use mana on heal and go oom against a decent poke lane instead of trying to trade. 15% would be much more fair or they could give it a a small base armor to the aura then a small amount of percentage like 10 armor and 2/4/6/8/10% which would make his level 2 stronger so they probably wont do this but make his levels 3-9 much more fair.


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HolyHammerStrike

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02-15-2013

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Well, that brings up the same problem I have with the percent change in the first place. Taric screwing HIMSELF to activate Shatter is fine, that's the player's choice, but why should Taric's ALLY be punished for the decision with an armor buff loss?
Sona deals with the same sort of thing anytime she changes auras.


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ESG Yknits

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02-15-2013

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Sona deals with the same sort of thing anytime she changes auras.
Not completely if she has the mana she can hold 2 auras at once for a brief moment.


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The One Soraka

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02-15-2013

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since Taric, as a support, can't really afford to build 300 total armor in an average match, or to have the aura ignore the reduction on Taric's self armor so he isn't exposing his allies to harm.

By the time you get the aura to level 5 and have a frozen heart, that's what, 270 armor? Is a 3 point nerf really worth such drama?


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HolyHammerStrike

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02-15-2013

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Not completely if she has the mana she can hold 2 auras at once for a brief moment.
Right, but she will still give it up after that brief moment until she can cast that one again.


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