AD Eve! I think I haz an idea!

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Zair Umbras

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02-14-2013

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Originally Posted by Moonscyth View Post
Are you guys ****1ng joking? I just read the most consentrated amount of dumbassedness IN MY LIFE. Im really sorry, but she is my main and I feel sensative towards her 3: AD Eve is the ****!!!!!!! OMG, she can CRUSH fiora, sorry bro, build her with homegaurd boots of mobility/swiftness, 2-3 bloodthirsters, and 2-3 phantom dancers, she doesnt need any dumbass defense when every hit she does while doing alot of damage and doing alot of hits fast heals her for a **** ton. I play AD Eve ALOT, and I end up carrying every time I do well (like %80 percent of the time) and I'm just so sorry to throw it out there, but there are so many ****bad Eve players its not even funny, try her in a non conservative pu$$y build way, go all out, she ends up having base speed of around 500, almost max attack speed, around 300 ad, and 40 or 60 percent lifesteal, she is a BOSS!!!! Screw AP Eve, she doesn't have $HIT on AD Eve, especially with all the nerfs on AP Eve, that ult nerf even hurt AD eve a little, although she doesnt have a problem with chasing moth****rs down and showing them the sideways gun, its always nice to just need to pop your minute cooldown ult instead of needing to dive, but now her **** ult doesn't even have the capacity to kill a target unless you build her with Liandray's. Just my two cents, please don't downvote because I'm calling you out, just take this from an AD Eve main who has had experience with the rest of the League, her only real competitors are Voli and Mundo purely because their potential tank builds are RIDICULOUS along with the lifesteal they usually get. But still, I've always been the tearer upper. The only catch with AD Eve is that you need a tiny boost in the start (like 2 or 3 kills, ks or not, its all in the gold to rush that first bloodthirst which procs her attack speed buff with her movement speed buff (fo chasn' down da ****as and slicin' dey necks open),
Higher up ranked matches don't get kills like mad like how you might get considering you only have 192 wins. Try getting higher up there and you'll notice a bit of change in playstyle where first blood doesn't come for around tenish minutes not to mention the build you're talking about would get insta-gibbed by anyone who buys a Thornmail, lol.


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Zair Umbras

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02-14-2013

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I'd only recommend ad eve top lane. Mid and jungle make her ult feel necessary.

When top lane keep in mind you're pretty weak, I usually take a frozen mallet for the hp + dmg (and your E applies effects so it should apply mallet.. It attacks twice and stacks things, such as bc, and wits end.)

Just get tanky dps items. You may find Zephyr feels ever more needed later on. (especially if you take tabi, boots of swiftness, or any boots not merc treads for the Tenacity). Along with the attack speed, and dmg.
Her E also does NOT apply ANY effects, it just increases her attack speed to a point where it feels like it does. It also does NOT apply BC because it does magic damage, hence why my idea is to give it and her Q the ability to do some physical damage.


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Syl

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02-14-2013

AD Eve was how she was played before the nerfs and buffs..


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Armageddal

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02-14-2013

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While I do think that certain champions should have their Hybrid options opened up, AD Eve is actually in a good spot IMO. Listen now.

AP Eve has a lot going for her. First off, AP is alot easier to get. And Rabadon's and masteries multiplies the AP by 35% and Deathfire Grasp multiplies all Magic Damage by 20%. Taken all together, AP deals a possible 55% more damage than flat AD.

So how do we bridge the gap between AP and AD?

Infinity Edge plus SoTD. Criticals multiply damage normally by 200% and with IE plus runes and masteries, it can multiply AD by 250%-305%. SoTD gives 3 'garen'teed Crits.

The build I suggest:
Sorcerer's Boots - MPen, your spells still deal MAGIC DAMAGE
Infinity Edge - AD and magnifies Crit Damage
SoTD - Guaranteed Crits
Trinity Force - Mana and Sheen proc
Blood Thirster - Pure AD and LS
Hextech Gunblade - Hybrid stuff, can be exchanged for survivability.

This will give about 370 AD and 1.5 AS, 30 LS and 20 SP and a number of other small factors. if we apply 250% to 370 AD we get 925 Physical Damage per Auto Attack (minus resistances). Combined with SoTD 3 Crits = 2775 Physical Damage. And this much damage is well over enough to kill a squishy even lategame. SoTD active 100% AS meshes with Eve's E which gives 120% AS for a total of 220% AS over 3 seconds.

This causes a fundamental change in playstyle however by focusing on AD over AP. This will mean AD Eve does less damage with her spells and relies more on her Auto Attacks to deal damage. Survivability may be a factor that needs to be accounted for by buying Health or Resistances such as Frozen Mallet.

AD Eve and AP Eve deal the same amount of Damage. AD Eve benefits more in 1v1 duels if she builds AD and LS.

I also play AD Mordekaiser if anyone wishes to ask about that.
AD Morde :P. He's awesome if he gets fed, but his complete lack of a gap closer really wrecks him. I might try jungling him though.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-14-2013

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Originally Posted by Moonscyth View Post
Are you guys ****1ng joking? I just read the most consentrated amount of dumbassedness IN MY LIFE. Im really sorry, but she is my main and I feel sensative towards her 3: AD Eve is the ****!!!!!!! OMG, she can CRUSH fiora, sorry bro, build her with homegaurd boots of mobility/swiftness, 2-3 bloodthirsters, and 2-3 phantom dancers, she doesnt need any dumbass defense when every hit she does while doing alot of damage and doing alot of hits fast heals her for a **** ton. I play AD Eve ALOT, and I end up carrying every time I do well (like %80 percent of the time) and I'm just so sorry to throw it out there, but there are so many ****bad Eve players its not even funny, try her in a non conservative pu$$y build way, go all out, she ends up having base speed of around 500, almost max attack speed, around 300 ad, and 40 or 60 percent lifesteal, she is a BOSS!!!! Screw AP Eve, she doesn't have $HIT on AD Eve, especially with all the nerfs on AP Eve, that ult nerf even hurt AD eve a little, although she doesnt have a problem with chasing moth****rs down and showing them the sideways gun, its always nice to just need to pop your minute cooldown ult instead of needing to dive, but now her **** ult doesn't even have the capacity to kill a target unless you build her with Liandray's. Just my two cents, please don't downvote because I'm calling you out, just take this from an AD Eve main who has had experience with the rest of the League, her only real competitors are Voli and Mundo purely because their potential tank builds are RIDICULOUS along with the lifesteal they usually get. But still, I've always been the tearer upper. The only catch with AD Eve is that you need a tiny boost in the start (like 2 or 3 kills, ks or not, its all in the gold to rush that first bloodthirst which procs her attack speed buff with her movement speed buff (fo chasn' down da ****as and slicin' dey necks open),
eh?

:/ not only is cereal not impressed, he doesn't believe this part about doing better than fiora is acually true especially considering fiora has damage steroids and evasion


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Moonscyth

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02-14-2013

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Higher up ranked matches don't get kills like mad like how you might get considering you only have 192 wins. Try getting higher up there and you'll notice a bit of change in playstyle where first blood doesn't come for around tenish minutes not to mention the build you're talking about would get insta-gibbed by anyone who buys a Thornmail, lol.
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lol you think you're so clever don't you? NO, I mostly play the pbe as of around september, so my wins are completely off from my experience, so get off my nuts stalker. And thornmail doesn't matter for **** dummy when it returns 30 percent of damage and you have 40 or 60 percent life steal, don't lecture me, goddamn you. Also,
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Her E also does NOT apply ANY effects, it just increases her attack speed to a point where it feels like it does. It also does NOT apply BC because it does magic damage, hence why my idea is to give it and her Q the ability to do some physical damage.
it actually does do alot of extra magic damage for two "skill" hits, for lack of a better word. It WOULD apply effects like wits end, black cleaver, and frozen mallet, as they are physical damage and basic attack applications, and it greatly increases attack speed, so im pretty sure it would help alot :| also for effects like triforce, frozen gauntlet, and lich bane, the first two "skill" hits would activate the item and then the massive bonus attack speed would spring an attack that would consume the charge, but if you don't consider it to be directly applying the effects (which I guess it doesn't because technically it wouldn't even activate black cleaver cuz the first two "skill" hits are magic damage) then you're just being a pain, because the onslaught of basic attacks that would follow from the speed buff WOULD apply effects and possibly tear the enemy champ to shreds regaurdless, in my opinion, this is Eve's most powerful move now that her ult was nerfed to ****. And if anyone challenges my experience again -.- then just add me and I'll show you how AD Eve works, but don't you dare ****ing tell me how the **** it works in high elos or some **** cuz I KNOW :| oh and a last thought,
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eh?

:/ not only is cereal not impressed, he doesn't believe this part about doing better than fiora is acually true especially considering fiora has damage steroids and evasion
you don't need to believe me, whether you know the potential truth or not doesn't matter, your knowledge of the matter doesn't mean shiznibblets to me now that I have been informed of how low it is, and I'm not a teacher. it just means you will continue to underestimate her. The only time fiora could kill eve is if eve is JUST on cooldown, lower health and Fiora decides to use that B1TCH ult that makes her untargetable. If you guys have trouble deciding what tanky item to impliment eve with you're doing it wrong, she has steroids too, use them.


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Elf Elix

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02-14-2013

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Are you guys ****1ng joking? I just read the most consentrated amount of dumbassedness IN MY LIFE. Im really sorry, but she is my main and I feel sensative towards her 3: AD Eve is the ****!!!!!!! OMG, she can CRUSH fiora, sorry bro, build her with homegaurd boots of mobility/swiftness, 2-3 bloodthirsters, and 2-3 phantom dancers, she doesnt need any dumbass defense when every hit she does while doing alot of damage and doing alot of hits fast heals her for a **** ton. I play AD Eve ALOT, and I end up carrying every time I do well (like %80 percent of the time) and I'm just so sorry to throw it out there, but there are so many ****bad Eve players its not even funny, try her in a non conservative pu$$y build way, go all out, she ends up having base speed of around 500, almost max attack speed, around 300 ad, and 40 or 60 percent lifesteal, she is a BOSS!!!! Screw AP Eve, she doesn't have $HIT on AD Eve, especially with all the nerfs on AP Eve, that ult nerf even hurt AD eve a little, although she doesnt have a problem with chasing moth****rs down and showing them the sideways gun, its always nice to just need to pop your minute cooldown ult instead of needing to dive, but now her **** ult doesn't even have the capacity to kill a target unless you build her with Liandray's. Just my two cents, please don't downvote because I'm calling you out, just take this from an AD Eve main who has had experience with the rest of the League, her only real competitors are Voli and Mundo purely because their potential tank builds are RIDICULOUS along with the lifesteal they usually get. But still, I've always been the tearer upper. The only catch with AD Eve is that you need a tiny boost in the start (like 2 or 3 kills, ks or not, its all in the gold to rush that first bloodthirst which procs her attack speed buff with her movement speed buff (fo chasn' down da ****as and slicin' dey necks open),
Dat wall of pain.


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Moonscyth

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02-14-2013

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Dat wall of pain.
what? lol if u mean Karthus, then eve can just w through that (getting speed buff and losing slow debuff)


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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02-14-2013

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oh and a last thought, you don't need to believe me, whether you know the potential truth or not doesn't matter, your knowledge of the matter doesn't mean shiznibblets to me now that I have been informed of how low it is, and I'm not a teacher. it just means you will continue to underestimate her. The only time fiora could kill eve is if eve is JUST on cooldown, lower health and Fiora decides to use that B1TCH ult that makes her untargetable. If you guys have trouble deciding what tanky item to impliment eve with you're doing it wrong, she has steroids too, use them.
I'm also not a teacher and whether or not I know the truth isn't the problem. My knowledge also doesnt matter.

Point blank, the only thing that matters right now is the math. You can try and discredit me all you want but at the moment the math just isnt working out. Maybe you'd like to explain how eve vs fiora works out?


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Moonscyth

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02-14-2013

ok, I'll attempt to, before though, I will mention that plenty of times I have crushed fiora late game with Eve (along with the rest of her team). OH I remember why, (seriously just now remembering, not trying to sound smart). Its because with the hg boots of m/s and 2-3 bt and pd build, she does have that AMAZING sustain damage, and seriously it eats people up, so, even if fiora is buffed up on lifesteal and attack speed as well, the suprise of eve (remember, she has stealth, and the overwhelming running speed (boots, e buff, pd's, general scaling speed, and if coming from base, hg too) then fiora doesnt have time to react to "just here and in my face" eve with her piranna tear down skills and so fiora would be behind on the lifesteal war, but like I said, Fiora's ult is her only chance of winning (and I will admit it raises her chance significantly), although I'm sure eve's ult effects fiora then (it being the only skill in her kit that could at the moment because she is untargetable), now that eve's ult is incapable of killing at all unless implimented with liandrays (which is a dot, not burst). then eve will possibly die and pick up the kill with liandrays, or perhaps if fiora is not built for lifesteal (not likely) then (and now that I think about it probably even if she IS built with lifesteal, considering the fact that eve is probably full health from her life steal hit on fiora first) then when the ult is done, eve could have waited to use her attack speed steroid to allow her to use it and get some serious burst lifesteal health and then fiora wouldn't really have a sustain, and then eve would have the upper hand with high attack speed and a tiny constant w poke spam that would negate most of the lifesteal Fiora might have. And in the end, Fiora would almost in every instance of Eve being equally or more fed then herself, lose. If anything is confusing I will try to clarify, like I said, I'm not a teacher, so I'm not always super clear. I'm not a noob, she is my main, so don't think I don't know anything about AD Eve because I play her all the time, I wouldn't lie for the satisfaction, doing that here is pointless and stupid.