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Wooglet's is OP, Black Cleaver is why it has to stay OP; the stagnation of Dom

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konfetarius

Senior Member

02-10-2013

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Swain and Kass love bot lane. I'm not understanding why you're acting as if Kass or Swain won't build a Wooglet's. Swain has no escapes in his kit and relies on being tanky while dealing more damage than he takes (after heals from crowform), Wooglet's provides him with a lot of AP for his very good ratios, armor, and the stasis active.

I am not saying they won't build a Wooglets. I am saying that "3rd item at the latest" mentality is how you get trash Kassadins and trash Swains in solo queue.

Also, lol at "kass loves bot lane." I suppose from the MMKH flowchart perspective.


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General Quackers

Senior Member

02-10-2013

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Talith PA:
OP complaining about a support item for AD bruisers to help out their AD teammates that build actual damage items while also complaining about what should be generally a 4th, maybe 3rd AP item except for a handful of champions.

tl;dr: The whole post is buried up to its neck in "complete lack of analysis", but if you must mindlessly rush items regardless of their effectiveness in the meantime, pick a champ who rushes either of these items.


Did you really just call Black Cleaver a support item?


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Talith PA

Senior Member

02-10-2013

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Original Duck:
Did you really just call Black Cleaver a support item?


Yes. You build it on an AD bruiser to support the other sources of AD damage on your team.


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Hawktitan

Senior Member

02-10-2013

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Original Duck:
It's not as efficient and it doesn't provide as many good stats. Also, you're dead wrong about it providing more ArP.


Actually you are the one who is dead wrong, but... k


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Evelynn Butt

Senior Member

02-10-2013

i want to play against kassadins that go bot lane


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DiscworldDeath

Senior Member

02-10-2013

Kass bot lane is very wasted compared to Kass top lane, but it's in no way weak. I've seen a couple, I've scoffed originally, and then I didn't scoff.

Once he hits 6 he ****s on many squishy bot laners, and is nearly impossible to gank.
With E, he can also push well, and Dominion usually makes the enemy laner spam spells as well.


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konfetarius

Senior Member

02-10-2013

Kass bot lane is very... counterpickable. Sure it will do well in match ups that Kassadin traditionally dominates 1 on 1, but that every weak laner has their strong match ups.


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inFe eD

Senior Member

02-10-2013

Cleaver is not and has not been competitive as a DPS item in a 1v1 for quite awhile.

Also the problem with Kassadin bot is that you are putting Kassadin bot.


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MyDeadGrandma

Senior Member

02-10-2013

I die a little inside when I'm the only melee AD top, I rush BC, then realize our ADC did the same.


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