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Return of the Ap bot lane?

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Gaurdian Angel

Senior Member

02-08-2013

Since the new ranked system, I have been permanently locked in silver league, and as a solo-Que support player, I have come to accept that I will never carry myself out of silver. So I have been searching in normals for something new and exiting to breathe life into my repetitive cycle of taric vs leona bot lane match-ups that seem to never end in silver league.And then it hit me.

As of late, the meta has been seeing a rising prevalence of ad bruiser mid lanes, and it has become not all uncommon to see a full ad team comp (with the exception of whatever ap damage the support is doing). This made me think back to the days when the APC would go bot lane, and the ADC solo'd mid. With the host of new supports and mid laners as well as item and game changes, as well as the rising prevalence of ad bruisers or assassins in the mid lane, now seems like a very good time to do some throwback. Right off the bat, there are a number of strong combinations that come to mind when you think of potential apc bot lanes.

Lulu is a support who came on the scene after the switch to AP mids but I feel as though she has a very strong kit for supporting with an Ap Caster: A large movespeed and AP buff, a Shield that gives extra auto damage, aiding with cs and auto harass, and of course; a HP buff and knockup.

Vieger- Janna/Soraka, safe farm lane with solid protection, really soraka would be a good pick with any number of mana hungry ap casters.

Syndra- Leona, The burst potential and CC lock-down these two bring to the table is something I would really like to see in action

Le'Blanc- Alistar, this idea is not actually mine, i ran into a duo running this combination in a normal game to devastating effect. Alistar W-Q combo plus Le'blanc Q-R combo will leave you silenced as you hit the ground. If the initial burst doesn't kill you, a quick LB W into ignite will finish the job.

Anivia/Taric and Taric/Kayle are also quite promising in theory

Anyway, those are just a few that popped into my head that I would love to try out. Here's what i want to ask you:
-Can a team survive without a traditional ranged ad carry? If yes, what do they need to succeed game play and team composition wise?
-Can you think of any other interesting support/APC combinations that would be effective in the current bot lane?
-Are you an AP caster player who is bored with the current meta and wants to give my ideas a try? Add me and we will play a few normals!


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t0ad5

Senior Member

02-08-2013

It's called "trolling"


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Gaurdian Angel

Senior Member

02-08-2013

Quote:
t0ad5:
It's called "trolling"


This mentality amongst the league community is what leads to the stagnation of the meta and it can often makes games blur together and feel quite repetitive at times. While i agree with you wholeheartedly that certain meta breaks are just plain dumb, I am putting logic behind my thought process here, and at the current time, I am only talking about trying a few combos out in normal games. Appreciate the feedback though. I did anticipate a negative reception, too many of us have been burned by stupid people doing stupid things because they are "bored" of the meta,


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ROKAF JE

Senior Member

02-08-2013

Should you fail, or the game runs late, your team will get shredded by the AD carry.


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t0ad5

Senior Member

02-08-2013

Sure, you are thinking outside the box, but are you thinking past 10 minutes?

Sorry, but I've played enough games to know this isnt a great idea. Like poster above me says.


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I Love Slurpees

Senior Member

02-08-2013

Only works on purple side unless you run a manaless ap. And most adcs dont have great escapes for such an easy lane to gank like mid.


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Aeshura

Senior Member

02-08-2013

I think he's just opening it up for discussion. AD's have pretty steady streams of damage, they don't deal burst, but over the course of a long fight (say 20 seconds) your AP has used his CD's and your AD is still going strong without regards to mana or cooldowns. Also I'm thinking bot lane AP loses the thing that makes AP strong, and that's lvl scaling. AP relies heavily on levels to deal damage.

That being said, If you had someone with short CD's and I'm thinking Ryze, Lux, and to an extent Kassadin. then you still have the level hurdles even if they can put out sustained damage. I mean for it to work I would think Lich Bane would have to be stupid buffed or somesuch.

With the lean towards health perhaps if the fights get longer. But of course I'm just musing so /shrug


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Nawar

Senior Member

02-09-2013

I'd suggest Ziggs and Lux bot. Ziggs APC and Lux support. Insane zoning.


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Kramsys

Member

02-09-2013

1v1 mid adc was the best


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SeCKS Egai

Senior Member

02-09-2013

Having certain ap mids bot lane is still plausible - but you have a lot to factor in, both team comps especially.

Your team also has to actually make a coordinated effort - it's basically like a lane swap to better counter your opponents, but it won't work if it doesn't actually counter.

For example, you put a le blanc ap bot with solid aggressive support, she will zone most adcs. But if your adc mid fails to ward and gets ganked as a result, it defeats the purpose.


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