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So is Kassadin...

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Quadrakill Amumu

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02-08-2013

Only if you don't build him AP.


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Gorsz

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02-08-2013

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people are actually willing to not be morons mid lane, so no.



Um , explain the counter play to kassadin as an AP squishy mid laner.

He has -15% magic dmg, he has scaling MR, his combo is 1350 range and it silences you for 3 seconds and he super slows you so you cannot follow him out to retaliate.

Not to mention, you can avoid dying in mid, kass can force you to miss a bunch of cs/get zoned, and he can also roam like no other.


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Quadrakill Amumu

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02-08-2013

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Gorsz:
Um , explain the counter play to kassadin as an AP squishy mid laner.

He has -15% magic dmg, he has scaling MR, his combo is 1350 range and it silences you for 3 seconds and he super slows you so you cannot follow him out to retaliate.

Not to mention, you can avoid dying in mid, kass can force you to miss a bunch of cs/get zoned, and he can also roam like no other.


Thing is, he is also one of the easiest to bully/deny in lane after his Q range nerf.


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Gorsz

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02-08-2013

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Quadrakill Amumu:
Thing is, he is also one of the easiest to bully/deny in lane after his Q range nerf.



You still have to worry about the enemy jungler, kass gets flask(sp)+hp potions to counter his weak early game.

1-5 is only a few minutes. Then he becomes a monster. Irelias so weak for the first levels right? I wonder how that works out for her.

His Q is still 650 range.. thats further than ryze and annie AND its a long silence.


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Orissan

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02-08-2013

Kassadin is a very specific counter pick champion who is amazing a fighting Mage champions (and a AP based assassins). Against AP he is a brilliant counter.

But that's it.

If the mid turns out to be a more AD champ or a champ who doesn't need his abilities (TF) or a tanky champ he is done. He NEEDS early kills to build the items he needs to dominate. If he doesn't have them then he is worthless aside from his silence. Also, any hard CC shuts him down hard.

Great mid vs him - Galio, Gragas, TF, Panth, even Morde if he is good.


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Quadrakill Amumu

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02-08-2013

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You still have to worry about the enemy jungler, kass gets flask(sp)+hp potions to counter his weak early game.

1-5 is only a few minutes. Then he becomes a monster. Irelias so weak for the first levels right? I wonder how that works out for her.

His Q is still 650 range.. thats further than ryze and annie AND its a long silence.


Irelia can CS much better under pressure than Kassadin can. Besides, these days Irelia isn't even weak anymore after all the biggest top lane bullies have been nerfed into oblivion.

Ryze and Annie can both CS with AA from long range. Kassadin was able to CS decently as melee back when he could first strike silence covering him going in to CS. Now he can't (well, he can to some degree in a small number of lineups, but mostly, he can't).


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TheXthDoctor

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02-08-2013

With SL skins and the Rapidstar video, Lux is becoming slightly FotM, therefore Kassadin should see some counterplay against her. I wouldn't say he's op, but if you know how to play against him, you shouldn't be as concerned about seeing him as you would be about Blitz or Mumu.


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Gorsz

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02-08-2013

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Quadrakill Amumu:
Irelia can CS much better under pressure than Kassadin can. Besides, these days Irelia isn't even weak anymore after all the biggest top lane bullies have been nerfed into oblivion.

Ryze and Annie can both CS with AA from long range. Kassadin was able to CS decently as melee back when he could first strike silence covering him going in to CS. Now he can't (well, he can to some degree in a small number of lineups, but mostly, he can't).



Post 6+ he can cs easily,

Yes, kass has is counters but vs just about any single AP hes god mode.

And guess what? I play squishy AP mids, so hes god mode to me. I rather just ban him. Hes like pre-nerf malphite to AD carries version to AP carries.


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Qeuscis

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02-08-2013

He beats some AoE and Utility APs, which include Lux, Anivia, Karthus. His matchups against CC+Burst Casters are usually skill based. Vs other AP assassins, he can also do well, such as Eve, Diana, or Kat.

Against anything else, he loses horribly. Tanky APs take massive dumps on him (Ryze and Swain). AD casters molest him. Bruisers ruin him. Most ADCs can wreck him.


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Irelia Carries U

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02-08-2013

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Quadrakill Amumu:
Irelia can CS much better under pressure than Kassadin can. Besides, these days Irelia isn't even weak anymore after all the biggest top lane bullies have been nerfed into oblivion.

Ryze and Annie can both CS with AA from long range. Kassadin was able to CS decently as melee back when he could first strike silence covering him going in to CS. Now he can't (well, he can to some degree in a small number of lineups, but mostly, he can't).

is this a joke? most of the top laners got a buff while she suffered


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