What is the reasoning behind champions with free abilities?

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LinaFireSong

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Cesog View Post
you. have. less. health.


anti carry 1 target burst>multi target lesser burst.
No I don't, why would I have less HP, even if say I didn't get rayli and get FM instead, FM gives higher HP boost than Rayli.

And when you are against carry, you'd still use DL as your main damage dealer, not shunpo.


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TL Frolo

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by LinaFireSong View Post
ahh, but in a team fight, mutple target damage is better than single target burst. And I am actually less squish, because I can do the same thing AP kat does, if I choose to, but I can also assest my situation and slip in a couple of BB to soften the herd up.
BB does less damage as the fight goes by. If you count the total damage of both shunpo and BB in a team fight if you ACE, the first BB hits all five, then four, then 3 then 2 then 1 assuming they all die one by one where shunpo hits for the same damage each target


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Truckasaurus

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Cesog View Post
with 2 BF swords, or 3700 gold, at lvl 11 BB rank 5 does

288.2 damage, with a CD of 8 seconds 188.2 (Base+2 BF)+100 bonus


3450 gold, or a zhonyas, shunpo does...

300 damage. 210 base+90 AP ratio damage

with a CD of 6 seconds, and the bonus of a zhonyas proc protection..


tyvm

You forget that BB is AoE.


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LinaFireSong

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Frolossus View Post
BB does less damage as the fight goes by. If you count the total damage of both shunpo and BB in a team fight if you ACE, the first BB hits all five, then four, then 3 then 2 then 1 assuming they all die one by one where shunpo hits for the same damage each target
yeah, but if you are doing that kind of damage with BB, why would you want to risk yourself by shunpo?

And if that's not the case, BB's bounce still gives greater total damage output.


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TL Frolo

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by LinaFireSong View Post
yeah, but if you are doing that kind of damage with BB, why would you want to risk yourself by shunpo?

And if that's not the case, BB's bounce still gives greater total damage output.
because shunpo gets multikills BB doesnt?


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tist

Senior Member

10-25-2010

If you were to give heroes like theirs a man cost they would be completely UP


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Cesog

Senior Member

10-25-2010

SINGLE TARGET BURST>LESSER AOE BURST.

ANTI CARRY. gosh.

ALSO...BB can be intercepted by the all powerful MINION.

ALSO...IF YOU BUY FROZEN MALLET, YOU HAVE LESS DAMAGE. KKTHX


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Harbin

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10-25-2010

Manaless heroes don't have hard CCs such as a taunt/stun.


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Kyoko Sakura

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10-25-2010

Their abilities don't shine as much in terms of CC, except for Garen's overly long silence.


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LinaFireSong

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10-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Frolossus View Post
because shunpo gets multikills BB doesnt?
where did you hear that? Shunpo is a single target spell, if anything can get mutikills, it's BB.


And yeah, FM gives less damage, but we are talking about HP, which means less squish, if you want to drag damage into this, there are plenty items gives great deal of damage, but in this case it doesn't matter because we are only looking at HP and squishness.