Udyr Season 3: Solo Top Advice.

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IronWolf45

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02-07-2013

Hey mates, recently I purchased Udyr after testing him out in a few games and so far he is a lot of fun to play with, as his Tiger Stance just wrecks people when they arent expecting it. However, from looking online it seems that he is a very good jungler, which I can agree with but nothing else, which got me thinking: Is he a good solo top Champion? Having found a video about someone trying Udyr solo top, I was surprised to see that the player equipped him with a Wiggles Lantern, but besides that he ran a standard build with him.

Anyways, just want to know if he is a viable champ in Season 3, and if he can be a solid top champion. Need someone else to play that position besides Garen lol.


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Peligrad

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02-07-2013

Udyr is great at countering poke because his turtle stance absorbs harass really well.

So he does a good job against lane bullies like Yorick, who just can't dent him past the first couple levels.

But he's pretty niche as top lane and he doesn't do anything up there that other champions can't and doesn't do anything especially well.

He doesn't escape ganks or aide them very well...

He doesn't harass well...

He doesn't farm well...

He doesn't deny farm well...

So ...he's a pretty sub par top laner on the whole...

But he's one heck of a jungler if you figure him out.

His objectiving power is good. His burst damage is huge. his closing power is solid. His mobility is good. And he is a strong anchor for a team.

So, while a mediocre top laner, he's an awesome jungler.


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Mogs01gt

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02-07-2013

Udyr is sub par right now. Luckily TF got its price reduced.


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IronWolf45

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02-07-2013

Already was aware of him being a great in the jungle mate lol, however he seems like he can be a very solid top lane, as his Turtle Stance means he can lane for long periods of time without worry, and Tiger Stance is just boss. However Item-Wise, I heard TF is a must on him by some people, is this true?


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Mogs01gt

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02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Templar45 View Post
Already was aware of him being a great in the jungle mate lol, however he seems like he can be a very solid top lane, as his Turtle Stance means he can lane for long periods of time without worry, and Tiger Stance is just boss. However Item-Wise, I heard TF is a must on him by some people, is this true?
He is bad top lane:
Poor scaling
poor itemization
doesnt snowball well
doesnt setup ganks well from top lane due to minion pathing(bear stance needs a direct line since its movement speed is low)
doesnt last hit well


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DKraze

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02-07-2013

He's actually one of the best top laners in the game (for laning phase). Level his turtle stance all the way.


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OdiIon

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02-07-2013

Udyr is hard to snowball. He's an anti-fighter/harass type. Difficult to harass, and his sustain is very good. He also packs a somewhat spammable stun, and does good sustained damage.

I think his problem is the Global CD on his stances, it's slightly too long. Also, Udyr has no true gap closer, and has 0 ranged skills. Also he never maxes all his skills out. Even Karma who lacks an ultimate has rank 6 skills.


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Peligrad

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02-07-2013

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He is bad top lane:
Poor scaling
poor itemization
Poor scaling?
He has a 1.5 AD ratio available every 6 seconds....
And a ton of free AS...

His scaling isn't bad at all.

Poor itemization?

There are tons of great items for Udyr...

Scimitar, BT, ANY TANK ITEM, TF...they're all really good on Udyr...


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IronWolf45

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02-07-2013

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Originally Posted by OdiIon View Post
Udyr is hard to snowball. He's an anti-fighter/harass type. Difficult to harass, and his sustain is very good. He also packs a somewhat spammable stun, and does good sustained damage.

I think his problem is the Global CD on his stances, it's slightly too long. Also, Udyr has no true gap closer, and has 0 ranged skills. Also he never maxes all his skills out. Even Karma who lacks an ultimate has rank 6 skills.
Udyr in a lot of ways is like Garen and Darius if you think about. Garen has his Q to close the distance, Darius has his grab which has proven effective, while Udyr has his Bear-Stance, which is great as one hit will give you an advantage. Not the greatest gap-closer, but then again I usually play champs (Garen for example) who are meant for CC so I have experience in dealing with ranged Solo-Top Champs.

Saying that, I recently saw a video of someone who dominated solo top lane against a Jax, and he did so by spamming his Tiger and Turtle Stances first with the exception of a Bear-Stance at level 4. His item build was apparently very effective so Im tempted to try it out but not sure how effective it would be. His final build was:

*Ninja Tabi w/+15 movement.
*Sunfire Cape
*Spirit Visage
*Blade of the Rune King
*Zephyr
*Wiggles Lantern

Now from watching this video, he just completely owned his lane and continued to cause havoc for the opposing team. Now Im tempted to try this build out, with the only exception switching out the Ninja Tabi for Mercury Treads if facing a AP heavy team, but if anyone has any suggestions about it or what items would better benefit Udyr Solo Top then by all means let me know.


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Mogs01gt

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Originally Posted by Peligrad View Post
Poor scaling?
He has a 1.5 AD ratio available every 6 seconds....
And a ton of free AS...
His scaling isn't bad at all.
Poor itemization?
There are tons of great items for Udyr...
Scimitar, BT, ANY TANK ITEM, TF...they're all really good on Udyr...
and it does magic damage
AS items that he scaled with are now increased in price compared to S2

You need to pay more attention to the details of S3, Udyr is really weak right now. Better than Shy but still weak.


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