Welcome to the Forum Archive!

Years of conversation fill a ton of digital pages, and we've kept all of it accessible to browse or copy over. Whether you're looking for reveal articles for older champions, or the first time that Rammus rolled into an "OK" thread, or anything in between, you can find it here. When you're finished, check out the boards to join in the latest League of Legends discussions.

GO TO BOARDS


Atma's Impaler

Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Felaedor

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Quote:
Tahku:
just wanted to remind everyone here, that with base hp a lvl 18 twitch has already enough hp to make that item cost efficient. do the math yourself.

Cost efficient for the stats and cost efficient for the champ are completely different things.

Ranged AD find Atma's very cost efficient, as they'll be getting enough crit to make it meaningful, but for them it isn't very slot efficient.

For MOST bruisers, it's barely even cost efficient because Crit is just plain bad for them.

Deathcap is cost efficient. That doesn't mean you buy it on Garen.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Cloud Potato

Senior Member

02-05-2013

4k Health provides 60 damage, which is not that high. The Armor is okay but with that much Health you probably have some Armor already, and the Crit is meh. It's a niche item, really.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Dethant

Senior Member

02-05-2013

i like it on gp and garen alot


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Saintshing

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Quote:
Tahku:
just wanted to remind everyone here, that with base hp a lvl 18 twitch has already enough hp to make that item cost efficient. do the math yourself.


it is cost efficient only if you use all the stats it provides

you are paying for ~750g for the crit, but it is not useful on some champ like talon who does not auto attack alot


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Bad Luck Braum

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Cause statik shiv


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Talbat

Senior Member

02-05-2013

You'll easily get more damage out of a Black Cleaver (and still get tankier with it!) than with an Atma's.

And because of Black Cleaver, armor is near worthless anyway, which really just leaves you a miniscule amount of actual protection, an amount of damage that is dependent on other items and even then isn't very high, and some amount of crit, a stat that most bruisers don't use very well.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Mogs01gt

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Quote:
Felaedor:
Cost efficient for the stats and cost efficient for the champ are completely different things.

Ranged AD find Atma's very cost efficient, as they'll be getting enough crit to make it meaningful, but for them it isn't very slot efficient.

For MOST bruisers, it's barely even cost efficient because Crit is just plain bad for them.

Crit is one the few things that counters hp stacking.. Any item that adds crit is fantastic right now. This has also created the side affect of burst AP champs failing a tad right now..


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Felaedor

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Quote:
Mogs01gt:
Crit is one the few things that counters hp stacking.. Any item that adds crit is fantastic right now. This has also created the side affect of burst AP champs failing a tad right now..

Except on champs that don't autoattack enough to actually crit or those who don't ever build enough Crit to make it consistent.

Honestly, I'd say Crit counters low HP far more heavily than it does HP stacking.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

justinph

Senior Member

02-05-2013

they nerfed it pretty hard in mid season 2 and it just hasnt seen much love since than.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Coaches

Senior Member

02-05-2013

I might consider it on xin if I build him tanky