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Do you think Riven is unviable right now?

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Blaze KIsiragi

Junior Member

02-05-2013

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Soulbladez:
The other option is to target the said item that is causing problems. Warmogs needs to be a stacking item again.


Thats what they wanted to rid League of. People donig that. They have increased the cost of it, and made the regen unique for a reason.


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Irelia Bot

Member

02-05-2013

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Blaze KIsiragi:
Thats what they wanted to rid League of. People donig that. They have increased the cost of it, and made the regen unique for a reason.


I don't mean stacking 3 warmogs I mean needing you to kill minions to get the health..

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Warmog%27s_Armor

read up on the item history it use to need 100 minions/creeps killed to have max health.

They should make warmogs have a base 650 health and get 4.5 health for everything killed (can happen up to 100 times) This would make it so that it is a slightly risky late game item that is not overwhelming mid game.


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Blaze KIsiragi

Junior Member

02-05-2013

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Soulbladez:
I don't mean stacking 3 warmogs I mean needing you to kill minions to get the health..

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Warmog%27s_Armor

read up on the item history it use to need 100 minions/creeps killed to have max health.

They should make warmogs have a base 650 health and get 4.5 health for everything killed (can happen up to 100 times) This would make it so that it is a slightly risky late game item that is not overwhelming mid game.


Ohhhh.

yes. I do agree. that would be awesome.

I used this as an early game item on my adc, as i was really good at last hitting.

Then season 3 dropped and i stopped adcing until i learned all of the new items.


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Azurlite

Recruiter

02-05-2013

More opinions?


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Noxian Diplomacy

Junior Member

02-05-2013

Stop sucking at riven obviously the nerf did nothing at all jeezzz i mean come on <3


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GlyphTsen

Senior Member

02-05-2013

I think Riven is still viable. However, I do think they nerfed her HP/regen too much (it was too much at the start but...).

In any event, in most match-ups she should beat and be able to zone a lane opponent rushing Warmogs. Her early game is one of her strengths afterall. I also think it's wrong to think that Warmogs makes her useless late game. Among other things, Warmogs doesn't give resistances, so lifesteal for example works well whether Ruined or Hydra or BT. Her cooldowns are low enough, and she doesn't have other restrictions on her abilities so she can continue to dish out damage as necessary.

Just my thoughts.


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bob000

Senior Member

02-05-2013

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Azures Edge:
Health > AD, kind of the point here. No items for Riven to utilize since lifesteal has been nerfed and you can't outsustain someone with all that hp now.

Lifesteal got buffed not nerfed by the shift to hp.


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Atik L Yar

Senior Member

02-05-2013

I've found that Riven was dominating in 3s, personnally. I would build her as a tank, and just mop the floor with the other team all game. I could chase people down, well into their base, kill them, and still get out even while all four towers were still up.

I like the position she's currently in.


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EffectFX

Senior Member

02-05-2013

I haven't had any issues with Riven personally. Hydra/BC are very strong items on her, more so then the usual bloodthirster (which is not a bad item by any means). But AOE life steal off hydra is fantastic with people just rushing warmogs. Never mind if you build a frozen mallet or a warmogs yourself.


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o O

Senior Member

02-05-2013

Riven is in a bad position right now. I have a lot of games played as Riven (probably around 500 since release?) so I think I have a good idea of her current state. Since I don't want to sound like a lone nut, I do want to point out that Riven's win rate (as shown on lolking.net) demonstrates that something is off. Her win percentage fell almost 10% (big drop!) since the start of preseason 3 to now. She even was in the "ten lowest win rate champions" 2 days ago on LoLKing. Let me preface this by saying that I know people will argue that win rate doesn't mean everything. I do agree that win rate isn't indicative of a champion's viability, but the sharp decline in a champion's win rate in a period of ~1 month shows something is wack.

Here's my assessment:
First of all, Riven was nerfed pretty hard. Her ultimate cooldown was increased by 50% at level 1 (35 extra seconds to it) and her base HP5 was cut in half. The patch notes for this can be found here (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/preseason-balance-update-2-patch-notes).

The HP5 adjustment isn't really that problematic since the increased Valor shield makes up for it, however, the ultimate cooldown change is huge. The new ultimate cooldown makes it nearly impossible for Riven to lane against certain top laners (such as Darius). Before, Riven could outplay champions (like Darius) with her lower ultimate cooldown, but she can't really do that anymore. Furthermore, the higher ultimate cooldown really hurts her potential to snowball the early game. While I do agree that the ultimate cooldown Riven had was really low, I think she needed it to remain viable in top lane. Regardless, Riot increased the ultimate cooldown way too much without any form of compensation. At the very least, Riot should have given something to Riven's late game if they took away so much of her early game.

Next, several of the core items Riven builds into have been nerfed. These were indirect nerfs to her, but still impact her in a big way.
- At the start of pre-season 3 (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/preseason-3-patch-notes), GA got hit pretty hard with nerfs (resistances were lowered, but item price wasn't). GA was a core item on Riven (it synergized really well with her shield and lifesteal).

As of patch 3.01 (most recent): (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/patch-301-notes)
- Bloodthirster now costs more.
- Blackcleaver is in a weaker state (less health, more stacks required).

Finally, season 3 is known as the "health meta". Riven doesn't really scale that well with health such as other bruisers. Riven also has really good AD scaling on her abilities so she is typically forced to build glass cannon to make the most use out of her kit. This is problematic in this meta.


Basically, the changing meta in addition to the nerfs Riven received has really impacted her performance harshly. I don't think that Riot was trying to make Riven useless in this meta, but that's what they did with the previously mentioned balance changes.

My 2 cents.

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