Really you nerf the grail again?

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Kenshin Akira

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02-04-2013

I guess they want AP champs to buy more raw AP now with the Zhonya and Deathcap buffs. Though I tend to run Morellonomicon more than Athene's at this point anyhow.


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Kaidan Alenko

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02-04-2013

I'm waiting for them to hit Morellonomicon. I will cry at night when they do.


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ChaosX1

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02-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Blumpkination69 View Post
They nerfed CDR on everything except Stark's or whatever it's called now.

But they gave it +5 to Mr on Grail.

It's not that bad. You'll have 10-14% instead of 19% now. Get morello's for good AP, some mana regen, and 20% CDR. You'll be at 30/34%
God dammit Morello, I don't want to buy your item!


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AxeRaider

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02-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Quintessence View Post
They are just kicking AP casters while they are down at this point...
excpet for the 20% increase in ap increase on rabadons 25% to 30%


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TxTVira

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02-04-2013

They're buffing flat ap items again and nerf cdr.

Not sure if like.


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Ansaa

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02-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Quintessence View Post
What can heavy mana users get now? I suppose they can stack RoA's?
I hear people are trying out Morellomonicon now!


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Bland

Senior Member

02-04-2013

To be fair, it was rather ridiculous, that you could get to 40% cdr with 2 items, a small pack of per level glyphs and the 4% from offense mastery.

And the issue with cdr is that its scaling isn't linear... that last 1% cdr you get (from 39% to 40%) actually reduces your remaining cds by 1.64%, which means it's 64% more efficient than the first 1% cdr you bought.
That means it can really easily spiral totally out of control, if you get to the 40% cap too quickly. (After all, for a spamming character, that means 67% more dps)

At the same time, the formula above suggests it's much more of a nerf to take 5% off of a 15% cdr item, than it is if you take 5% of off a 10% cdr item. But hey, it's still PBE, stuff can change.


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thumbnail9

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02-04-2013

Why the **** did they nerf Void I dunno but they did.


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Sirtommygunn

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02-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Quintessence View Post
What can heavy mana users get now? I suppose they can stack RoA's?
Get a tear, it's not as good at mana but it's end game build is just so much better than Grail's ever was.


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Leaf of the lake

Senior Member

02-04-2013

Tear, catalyst, chalice. All viable early game sustain options. Build into archangel's, roa, or athene's. Or sell back and grab a morello.

If you don't need a ton of mana, one of my favorite options is philo for the early game sustain, then sell it back when it isn't necessary anymore for a profit.


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