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...I'm just wondering why your even worried about rammus, he hasn't been a threat since season 1, and with kha and xin, they can consistently counter jungle and shut him down the entire game, taken into consideration the support wards right. also whoever initiates first can just buy a QSS to negate the one taunt he has, and with the league of cleavers, his armor buff is ****, as well as his ganks being totally foreseeable by like, miles, if you have a ward present, or just go behind minions. Equivalent of a shyvana running to you with red buff, if she doesn't reach you, your safe.