@Riot if you're going to have a tribunal

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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

Can you at least use it as a preventative? I've been conducting a social experiment to see how hard it is exactly to get yourself banned from this game. It's ridiculously hard, you have to be super obvious and even then, you get about a years' worth of play out of every account.

In fact, my second account was only permabanned within the first year because it was caught in this official cleanup;
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board...311793#9311793

TL; DR Tribunal doesn't work in the slightest and I have 3 years League experience to prove it.

As it stands, Tribunal requires dozens, frequently even hundreds of reports before a Tribunal case is made. Warnings are handed out, then bans if people don't reform their behaviour.

There's a big problem with this;
That still gives trolls, intentional feeders etc several hundred matches to ruin before they are permanently banned.

And then they usually just create a new account.

The worst part is, there's no game pre-game chat, replays viewable or melt-down of the players' movements. This enables people to run off on their own and feed solo all game and be completely unbannable as long as they say they're trying in chat. As long as they deny that they're intentional feeding and just having a "bad game" YOUR poilicies state you must click Pardon.

Nevermind the fact that they don't even have to feed; They can just avoid team fights and guarantee their team loses 4 vs 5. As long as they don't openly admit to feeding or ruining the game, they're "innocent".

Furthermore, people are smarter than the tribunal. It has giant loop holes where a player can intentionally lose games yet be ENTIRELY impervious to Tribunal.

1. Giving away freebies;
The most common form of this you'll see, is somebody pretending to play passively. Watch replays however and they are instead simply backing off at the last second, refusing to secure a kill or save a team mate.

The second most common is giving away towers by recalling when your lane is pushed. I've seen this even in ranked when the person recalling is full hp. There's no legitimate reason for it, gold count is still too low to buy, health is higher than his enemies, skills are off cooldown etc. Not one scenario you can think of that justifies a recall is present, yet they still do it.

2. Refusing to defend in general.
This is very common. It's pretty noticeable when someone leaves the dais and comes to join a team fight while ignoring "That split pushing yi/shaco who's 3 meters away from a turret".

3. Intentional feeding.

This is much more common than you think. People repeatedly try to win battles where numbers are just in the enemies' favour. This really happens alot at level 30 and people try to shrug it off as "Oh he's just bad"....

As if you can't have learnt by Primary School that 2 is greater than 1.

I'd like to see Tribunal changed. After somebody is warned, they should be flagged for surveillance. If they spend multiple games away from their team and effectively lose 4vs5, the system should be automated to report them itself. Same with language filtering, there's already a server-side filter so why can't it be modified to report the people who cuss?

I know you created the tribunal to "Give players more control over what should constitute a ban", but it's broken. More threads rock up in GD every week about unjustified bans. "Justice" should never punish the innocent. In fact it can't because once it does, it ceases to be Justice and is instead plain Oppression.

That's right, i'm saying in it's current state, the Tribunal OPPRESSES the masses. It's gotten so bad that people can't say or DO anything without getting banned.

You promised us that the Tribunal would fix things, yet they've gotten worse. You promised that Riot staff review each ban, but clearly they don't otherwise innocent people wouldn't get banned. You promised that people with clean reform cards really did committ offences and they just didn't show on the reform card. You promised that reform cards didn't always show what material the punishers saw in the Tribunal.

Now it's time to prove you're keeping your promises.


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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

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Originally Posted by Sonnington View Post
Although Phoenix is being overly dramatic. It would be nice to have pre and post game chat in the report. Along with all the stats regarded on the score screen, not just k/d build.

Along with a replay would be beautiful. I don't understand why there's no first party replay feature. Especially since you can rewind when you spectate a game. Hard drive space is ridiculously cheap, and web hosting is also pretty cheap.

How can you say that?

Riot LET ME troll and grief over 3 accounts for 3 years. Personally i wouldn't call it that, but you know how tribunal is. People must flick a switch inside them before they visit leagueoflegends.com/tribunal that makes them overly sensitive or something. Many of the times my test accounts got banned, it was for warning people that they're breaking the rules and that i'd be reporting them. Last time i checked, being vigilant / upholding the rules isn't a "Negative Attitude", it's just policing.

Banning me for it (Repeatedly, mind you) just goes to show the Tribunal doesn't care what is right or in the best interests of the community in the slightest. All they care about is banning everyone they can.

To say i'm being "Overly dramatic" for pointing it out is a sheer cop-out.


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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

Reserved for a replay list of suspicious and/or obvious game ruining.

Solid case of #3; Intentional feeding with lying in team chat to claim they're just having a "bad game". By 6 minutes they've died 6 times.

http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2772512/


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CapnChoGath

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02-03-2013

I agree with you mostly, except how would YOU fix it? Cussing in general doesn't actually mean that you are being rude. And an automated passive detector would rape split-pushers...
The only one I agree with is that there should be a pre-game report.
Replays can't be stored, that's WAY too much data, they don't even have a replay SYSTEM, let alone tribunal replays.

I agree, but I'd like to know a surefire way to fix the problems you present.


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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

The only 3 decent split pushers in the game are shaco, teemo and nidalee.
Since reworks/buffs/S3 item changes they have plenty of team fight presence.

Split pushing can lose games, there's no viable excuse for ignoring team fights.


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Kirvinn

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02-03-2013

2 games the enemy team was 5 manning our inner/ihnib turrets and inhibs and we were behind. Our Mundo decided to push and wouldn't come fight at all even though our whole team kept saying come fight. He was literally at their 2nd bot tower when our nexus exploded.


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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

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2 games the enemy team was 5 manning our inner/ihnib turrets and inhibs and we were behind. Our Mundo decided to push and wouldn't come fight at all even though our whole team kept saying come fight. He was literally at their 2nd bot tower when our nexus exploded.
That's the kind of behaviour i'm talking about. First up, Mundo is a terrible split pusher. Secondly, he's got CC in the form of his cleaver and is a great off-tank. Never should a mundo player be split pushing when he's so much more valuable as part of the defending party.

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I agree with you mostly, except how would YOU fix it? Cussing in general doesn't actually mean that you are being rude. And an automated passive detector would rape split-pushers...
The only one I agree with is that there should be a pre-game report.
Replays can't be stored, that's WAY too much data, they don't even have a replay SYSTEM, let alone tribunal replays.

I agree, but I'd like to know a surefire way to fix the problems you present.
Riot does have a replay system in place. Have done for over 2 years. LoLRecord isn't a game recorder, it just bypasses client limits to forcibly activate RIOT's recording feature. That's why older replays never work; Because the actual game has changed and it's not the same as when the demo was recorded.

Furthermore, it's quite easy to resolve the storage problem. Set it so the game client records matches by default, only keeps say the last 10 on hard drive. Then when you report, the replay can be uploaded if needed. Otherwise, chat transcripts are good enough for reports that don't fit into the categories of Intentionally Assisting the Enemy Team or Intentional Feeding.

MOST of the examples i listed in above posts, constitute as the former so it's not like i'm not asking for something that's not already meant to be upheld by the Tribunal.


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KnightxSScarlett

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02-03-2013

Everyone that shows their reform card when banned seems to have deserved it. System working as planned.


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PurePhoenix2013

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02-03-2013

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Everyone that shows their reform card when banned seems to have deserved it. System working as planned.
You are missing many, many cases then. I've seen a good hundred false bans in just the last year. You used to see 1 per month MAYBE. Then one a week. Now you're lucky if you don't see one a DAY.

Riot claimed there's 30 million players, which is false. There are 30 million accounts..

Practically everybody has 3-4 accounts by now, just because Tribunal keeps banning them for petty rubbish it was never intended for.


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Samurai047

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02-03-2013

Reform card please, if you can't, your post means nothing.