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Why nerfing Master Yi is a baseless knee-jerk by Riot, wall of text version

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Tadiken

Senior Member

02-02-2013

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Randomocity132:

Why the changes harm Master Yi so significantly
Her untargetable gapcloser keeps her untargetable for just as long as Yi’s, if not longer, and actually scales off of AD, so it will do damage late game. A lot of damage. A 1000 damage minimum plus 2.4 scaling of bonus AD lot of damage. Yi’s will do 300, with no AD scaling, which is only 40 more damage than what Fiora will do with Riposte, which grants Fiora the same AD bonus as Yi’s wuju style.

Fiora's is an ultimate. Yi's is a basic spell. Wuju style, when activated, is the best flat ad bonus in the game. Masochism or whatever it is called, mundos e, gives him more, but only when he has stacked a large amount of health and is really low health. However, when yi uses his ult and his e, then kills someone, he gets both the active bonus and the passive bonus, giving him a whopping flat 105 bonus ad. Double strike is shyvana's q, but on a passive. yi's w gives him 300 bonus armor and magic resist at max level. Yi's ultimate is one of the best movespeed steroids in the game, and one of the best attack speed steroids in the game. Fiora is the one who is underpowered here, not yi.


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FeedingTrollNoob

Member

02-02-2013

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BrightNooblar:
My issue is that he is 100% unmoveable from lane, if he gets as much as a chalice.


Morgana would like to say hello to you good sir.

Also, Chogath says hey.

Vlad also poked his head in and laughed at you.

Swain didn't even bother coming in you're so ignorant.


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Armageddon2099

Senior Member

02-02-2013

AP Yi got what he deserved. Meditates AP scaling is a relic of the past and has existed in the game for way too long. No heal in this game, self heal or otherwise, should ever have a 4.0 scaling ratio. AP Yi has always been unfun to play against and I, for one, am very glad they finally hit him.

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FeedingTrollNoob:
Morgana would like to say hello to you good sir.


Morgana doesn't have a 4.0 scaling heal on a 20 second CD. You can harass her out of lane. You can't do that to an AP Yi that is actually aware that he's playing the game. Morgana has to choose to use her W to do damage to you or clear the wave. Yi can do both with his AND has a 1.0 scaling. Why do you want to compare Morg with Yi?


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port5:
Fiora's is an ultimate. Yi's is a basic spell. Wuju style, when activated, is the best flat ad bonus in the game. Masochism or whatever it is called, mundos e, gives him more, but only when he has stacked a large amount of health and is really low health.


Actually, Mundo gets 100 flat AD by turning on his max level E. He can get potentially 199 if he's lost 99% of his life.


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FeedingTrollNoob:

Also, Chogath says hey.

Vlad also poked his head in and laughed at you.

Swain didn't even bother coming in you're so ignorant.


Cho gets 30 health from creeps, he has to actually last hit them. He will never heal as much as pre-nerf Yi meditates.

Vlad's healing is mediocre until he gets revolver. He will never heal as much in a game as pre-nerf Yi meditates.

Swain's healing is on his ult and gobbles mana like crazy and STILL doesn't heal as much as pre-nerf Yi's W.

Ontop of ALL THAT, Yi got free 100-300 defense stats. Do you see the problem in your reasoning?


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Almight Aza

Senior Member

02-02-2013

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FeedingTrollNoob:
Morgana would like to say hello to you good sir.

Also, Chogath says hey.

Vlad also poked his head in and laughed at you.

Swain didn't even bother coming in you're so ignorant.


All of those champions require creeps to heal and is a slow process rather than 2k healing over 3 seconds anywhere he wishes.


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Slinkywheel

Senior Member

02-02-2013

It helps AD yi and I am fine with the trade off. Besides, you heal more early game now which is great for before you get AP. Also the mana cost was reduced.


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Kogashuk0

Senior Member

02-02-2013

yi IS NOT MENT TO GO AP people are just playing him that way now because ad tends to be situational and useless, it needed the nerf


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FeedingTrollNoob

Member

02-02-2013

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Almight Aza:
All of those champions require creeps to heal and is a slow process rather than 2k healing over 3 seconds anywhere he wishes.



Yeah leave out the 30 second CD. And the fact that he only has 1 damageing move to trade with you while it's on CD. Also, all of those champs I mentioned WRECK AP Yi.

Cho needs a little help early, but once he gets Chalice he can nomnomnom his way to victory.

I mean, AP Yi was so obviously OP, that's why we saw him as a perma ban / pick at 2k elo... wait lol jk he was trash.


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Oznap

Senior Member

02-02-2013

Easily counter-able you say?
Brb gonna heal near tower.


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xStrangler

Junior Member

02-02-2013

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Chúgs:
ap yis annoying

Darius is annoying too and so is Riven, Fiora, Maokai, Volibear, Lux, Garen, and a LOT of other champions, just because they are annoying doesn't mean they get nerfed Darius is a VERY good example.


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xStrangler

Junior Member

02-02-2013

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FeedingTrollNoob:
Well considering it wasn't OP, he shouldn't have been nerfed. Master Yi has constantly been in the lowest win rates in silver and up for the past several months. Apparently if you aren't 700 elo pub trash you can deal with him.

People cry about AP Yi, people cry about Darius, people cried about Yorick a while back. The fact is noobs hate lane bullies, and they make their voice heard sadly.


Love you man, took the words right out my mouth!