What is Garen's weakness???

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Yfrappefort

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01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by Snewdy View Post
Q removes slows and gives a movespeed buff - he's not kitable

Passive gives him free health regen + not mana dependant = unlimited sustain

AoE spinning move is great for farming and does awesome damage - he can get plenty of money

He's tanky

he can take someone down to 30% hp from full with just a few hits - great damage

WTF is the trade off to Garen?!?! shouldn't there be some draw back?
Garen is a strong champion, but he also got some weakness that you need to abuse. In the laning, send him someone with strong ranged poke/harass and/or kiting. Teemo, Pantheon, Elise, Nidalee or Jayce come to mind.

His Q may break CC, but it's only on activation, try and save your CC for after he used it, not before. Remember that he got no instant gap closer, and no hard CC. His E does great damage, but if he use it too much during laning, he will push the lane. Take advantage of that and ask your jungler to gank him more often. His ultimate got a very high CD at first rank, so most likely your ult will always be up before his. You can time a fight where you will have yours and his will still be on CD.

Late game Garen is better since the rework, but he is more vulnerable during laning. His damage is not what it used to be. He will now lose trade early against someone like Darius or Riven. You must just take advantage of his weaker early game.

And also, probably the most important thing of all : NEVER facecheck any brush when fighting against Garen. He got like THE kit to kill anyone that would facecheck. If you don't see Garen on your minimap, then assume he is in every brush. Simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0SjvGqHQA --> 3 mins 40 secs


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Shirai

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01-31-2013

He has 0 lategame besides being a meatwall with an execute ult.


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Peligrad

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01-31-2013

Garen is ridiculously easy to peel.

All you do is CC him as soon as he starts spinning and you completely negate his damage contribution in a team fight...

Just like all durational AoE spells, a knockback really messes the skill up...


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Invisibleally

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01-31-2013

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WTF is the trade off to Garen?!?! shouldn't there be some draw back?
Obviously you gauge Garen's tradeoffs by the abilities he DOESN'T have.

-He can't stun, only silence.
-He has to activate his speed boost to remove slows, if the player doesn't press the button- pffft- nothin'.
-Spinning only wins OVER TIME, not instantly.
-Garen obviously has shoddy technique as he never causes bleeding.
-Loud warning to all enemies in the area whenever he begins spinning (DEMACIA!).
-Playing while logged in negates stealth.
-Takes 100% of Stun, fear, and blind duration (minus tenacity)
-Players playing anyone but Garen are deeply disappointed in you.
-Your mother is also disappointed in you.

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Ssraeshza Tvyl

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01-31-2013

If you think Garen is op, pray you never face Darius.


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MetalMichael

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01-31-2013

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Originally Posted by Aria Sachou View Post
no ranged, relies purely on being in melee to pretty much do anything.
No hard cc, can't peel for team.
He is kitable, its not like a slow after he uses Q is hard for a competent team.
Armour counters most of his damage.
Ulti has a very low range, not to mention it along with most of his other skills have a high cd making sustained fights harder to fight for Garen as opposed to say a Riven.
Can't do much other than tunnel vision a carry in teamfights, and he has to do it with walking speed.
Ever tried to catch an Ezreal that knows you are coming? Garen has a hard time because he has to walk through his team and Ezreal's own slows and E.
Garen has to rely on ambushes almost all the time to get his targets.
Only good in laning phase too, and ganking Garen is easier than ganking a Lee or a Renekton.
This pretty much says it all. I play Garen all the time. He's only as strong, as he is weak. If you can't find a way to beat Garen, you have a long way to go.

My suggestion is play Garen. That way you know how he works. Then when go against Garen, learn from that experience.

S3 has helped champions like Garen with black cleaver and new defense masteries, but you can still easily kite him and kill him.


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MemoryLapse

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01-31-2013

Pretty much every post in this thread is complete horse****.

I have played thousands of games with Garen, over 300 ranked in this season alone. Here's my opinion:

Garen has an extremely strong laning phase, with very few heroes that counter him. And even those heroes that do counter him can, in most cases, still be played around if not outright beaten when they arent being played by a master of said hero.

The people here who say Garen has a weak late game know absolutely nothing of Garen, immediately disregard anything else they write.

Garen's biggest weakness is a fundamental misunderstanding of what he is and what he can bring to a team. For example, quite often you will see a person building attackspeed on Garen, such as a ghostblade or phantom dancer. that person is not only clueless about Garen, I believe they are clueless about the mechanics of the game as a whole. That person may very well get wins with Garen, which only perpetuates their idiocy, but getting attack speed on Garen or building him like a glass cannon is a complete waste and it gives Garen players as a whole a bad reputation.

If you really want to know about garen watch any of my 4 video guides. I have over 5 hours of youtube strategy and commentary devoted solely to Garen.

Start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=qz5DgZiOLtY - Season 3 Garen guide (covers animation cancelling and includes a full game with commentary)


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Ballzofire

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01-31-2013

Idk why people think teemo beats garen. If he even so much as touches teemo. Its a free kill. Dont say blinding dart stops his q. You just have to wait for it to be over or pop it fast enough in melee range to silence the blind. As long as you land that q. Teemo dies. If teemo wants to just poke you. Farm under your turret. Garen does this quite well. Then once you hit 6 and have boots and some health u still own him. From lv 7 on creep waves die in 1.5 seconds to the spin. So he cant push you under your turret anymore.


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MFG Colour

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01-31-2013

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Q removes slows and gives a movespeed buff - he's not kitable
He uses q to catch up you slow now he can't remove it or he waits for the slow and you get away


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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01-31-2013

he lacks sustainable power output


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