Blackfire Torch IN SR

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ItsJustPain

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01-29-2013

I request this item be used in SR


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JustMyBassCannon

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01-29-2013

Do you have a valid reason why?


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IonDragonX

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01-29-2013

Totally OP in Summoner's Rift......


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FreeGothitelle

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01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by IonDragonX View Post
Totally OP in Summoner's Rift......
Why would it be OP in SR compared to TT or Dominion?

It would add build variety and help AP champs who have become less common with the ad bruiser oriented meta.


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67chrome

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01-30-2013

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Originally Posted by FreeGothitelle View Post
Why would it be OP in SR compared to TT or Dominion?

It would add build variety and help AP champs who have become less common with the ad bruiser oriented meta.
Mages were the single worse class to play in Dominion before Blackfire Torch was introduced, largely as an unusually cost-effective alternative to the existing itemization for AP champions (along with wogglet's). Mages in Twisted Treelines suffered something similar but to a lesser extent (considering team-fights are more important there than Dominion). But when you're shtick is winning teamfights with widespread AoE damage and widespread CC effects with lengthy cooldowns and hefty mana costs, going from one 1v1 to a 2v2 and back to a 1v1 is something you aren't going to excel at - both from being unable to use AoE for actual AoE and from the cooldowns associated with being able to devastate teams in an AoE that you aren't hitting.

But basically the AP Carry mages are balanced around having a turret backing them up and having 15-25 minutes of farm from zapping wave after wave of creeps in there lane. And Blackfire Torch is balanced around them not having a turret or much income.

Also, Blackfire Torch is an alternative to Liandry's Torment in the same way Sanguine Blade is the alternative to The Bloodthirster, Overlor'ds Mail is to Warmog's, Odyn's Veil is to Banshee's Veil, Wogglet's Witchcap is to both Rabadon's Deathcap and Zhonya's Hourglass, or Spectral Lantern is to Wriggle's Lantern. It's an item specifically designed for the dynamics of a different map.

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Originally Posted by FreeGothitelle View Post
Why would it be OP in SR compared to TT or Dominion?

It would add build variety and help AP champs who have become less common with the ad bruiser oriented meta.
Because mages are much more viable when large team-fights are involved, and they tend to be balanced around that - and itemization for Dominion and Twisted Treelines is altered to address that now. Also, Blackfire Torch could just cause the AD bruisers to pall around with AP bruisers. Mordekaiser, Amumu, and Singed all boast fantastic synergy with the item. Teemo likes it as well, and he's already played entirely to much - he doesn't need more people playing him. It's really the AP equivalent of Black Cleaver, and from what I've seen much worse than Cleaver in Dominion when the Black Cleaver craze hit.


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FreeGothitelle

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01-30-2013

I doubt that adding it to SR would make the meta go from one extreme (completely ad centric) to the other (completely ap centric) especially after all the nerfs it has received (and it's getting nerfed again in the next patch)

I feel like it's worth testing instead of completely ignoring it.

Also, bloodmail is a horrible replacememt to warmogs and will be getting replaced iirc.
Sanguine blade is as an overall inferior alternative to the bloodthirster to nerf ad casters, but still works well on adcs because of the passive.
Liandries is overall a weaker alternative to Blackfire torch despite ap champs not even being overly effective in SR.