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@morello, Fiora buffs

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Agent109

Member

02-02-2013

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Kerensky287:
I think Fiora works in theory, but in practice she's got a huge number of drawbacks. Fixing her W will be nice, but she'll still have:

-An ult that can be cancelled if your target walks into a bush.
-A barely-noticeable passive that only really comes into play during early-game lane harassment.
-A complete lack of sticking power.
-No escapes.
-No CC.

Look at Garen's passive - 0.5%hp regen per second after 10 seconds of not getting hit. If he has 1000 health, that's 5hp per second.

Fiora's passive is 7hp(+1 per level) over 6 seconds. That means at level 18, she's getting 25hp over 6 seconds - just over 4hp per second. And that's if she's in combat, which means she's going to be losing health anyway.

As for her ult, the fact that it's so unbearably easy to kite and/or cancel for EVERY champion in the game means she might as well not have one.

So she has effectively no passive, and effectively no ult. When her W gets fixed then she'll finally have 3 useful abilities.

I'm using crazy hyperbole, I know, but Fiora's kit is so incredibly weak right now considering her potential; her ult gives her survivability and presence at the start of a teamfight, while she's strong enough to clean up afterward with little trouble. She could be an effective Melee DPS. All she needs is a ton of QoL fixes.

I totally Agree with you, I just purposely never mentioned how weak and broken her abilities are and how they don't support her much at all. If you manage to dominate a lane as Fiora it's simply because the opponent is unskilled. Fiora has nothing going for her but her auto attacks and she still has nothing to support that. If her passive is changed to Life Steal instead of HP regen I think it might be limited but it's always a good idea. But Fiora's ultimate is something that upsets me the most when it always gets canceled with no refund like her Patch note said it would. If you're lucky, the system might notice and refund the ability, but it's kind of rare. Glad you pointed this out.


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Dem Squats

Senior Member

02-02-2013

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Morello:
We agree with the W blocking on-hits. We're going to try and test this


Fix the match making first, constantly going against 1600+ win virgins and I have only 330.

Did you guys lose a bunch of A team devs? These B team guys should go back to geek squad.


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KotlettDrake

Senior Member

02-02-2013

bump


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KotlettDrake

Senior Member

02-02-2013

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Agent109:
To be truthful, I don't understand "bump", could you please explain this. Haha! XD


just reply to this thread when it falls of the front page and it will go back


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Agent109

Member

02-03-2013

Well then... Bump! XD


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ministermind

Senior Member

02-03-2013

Bump. Love this idea!


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Agent109

Member

02-03-2013

I noticed there are more things to cover about Fiora and am seriously thinking of making a new thread, adding a link to this one just so they can be connected. This thread shares a lot of good points and I'm very spectacle when it comes to different points that I should be shared about something.

Fiora can do good damage and take out an enemy if the other player is playing recklessly or very aggressive and the Fiora user could use that to their advantage(like me) and win. Since Fiora's win rate is low, I've managed to "try" and outplay many of my opponents but it's extremely risky to play as Fiora on ranked elo's (Below 1000)since people are getting more used to her abilities and know how to outplay and notice that she's extremely counter-able. I really hope Riot reads my new comments because they do have some good points. I've also noticed my comment was quoted from the first response made. Hope Riot reads it!

This is technically a "bump" is some parts as-well!


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Altefeur

Junior Member

02-03-2013

I'm just sticking in my two cents when stuff gets posted that I want to help contribute to, but I had a particular thought, so Morello? If you're reading this, consider the following:

Her title and Concept, the "Grand Duelist", being that she is meant to be a specialist 1v1, why not make her abilities more in-line with that?

My process of thought: make her passive work sort of like a reverse-Irelia passive, like, while there is only 1 opponent in range, she gets good sustain, but the more foes there are, the lower the passive sustain becomes. I.E. While there is 1 enemy champion in range, she has X amount of sustain. 2 champions, X-1 sustain, 3 champions, you get the idea. This would give her the sort of effect to allow her to heavily hold a 1v1 title, and give incentive to have the enemy team keep an eye on her.

Other tidbits include chain-cdr effects across her abilities, such as a bonus on Lunge so that, "If the second strike of Lunge is onto the same target as the first strike of Lunge, the cooldown on Riposte is decreased by 1 second". This bears heavy incentive for summoners of the Grand Duelist to, well, duel their opponents.

I also thought of the following riposte change: "If Riposte succeeds in deflecting an enemy attack, Lunge's cooldown is decreased by 1 second. Furthermore, if Riposte succeeds in deflecting the attack of an enemy within melee striking range, Blade Waltz's cooldown is decreased by 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 seconds." The first part, with chaining back and forth between Riposte and Lunge is a gimmick I thought of passively, but on note of Riposte deflects recharging Blade Waltz would be interesting. On an aside, I agree with all statements about Fiora's W and on hit effects.

Her Burst of Speed, in my own personal opinion, feels fine where it is. It can be rather easily countered by CC, which is frustrating, but then that's kinda the idea; playing as Fiora, you need to bait out your opponent's CC, so that you can respond without being shut out. Playing against a Fiora, you need to shut out her main source of damage (contrary to popular belief, Fiora's big source of damage is sustained, from her E, not burst, from her ult), so you need to eyeball it. In short, you can afford to leave this one alone.

And now, Fiora's ult. Hoo boy. This needs a lot of work. Barring the fact that Blade Waltz can in fact be shut out by walking into brush, it is completely counterintuitive to the Duelist mindset, which is taking down a single target. Ever since I was juked about by a Twitch, my friends and I have had the joke that it costs 150 gold to ult as Fiora (for those failing to understand, that's the cost of a vision ward). One of the previous posts said that Fiora's ult could grant vision, and I would never be against that. Let Fiora's ult grant vision, for the duration exclusively.

But I've gone off track, and that track was the 1v1 specialism. Fiora's ultimate is completely counterintuitive to the mindset, being that all hits after the first against a particular target are reduced to a laughable amount, giving players the mindset of "Fiora's ult is meant for teamfights". While I can appreciate the thought, it goes completely against the mindset (and I've said that word four times now). What I feel would be more in line would be if it did more damage to a single target than to a group. A thought I came up with was, the first strike against a particular target is the weakest, but every subsequent strike from that particular ulting would deal more damage. with each hit. The thought isn't the best one I've had, but I figured "hey, why not go all out the one time you're going to contribute?" so yeah.

My thoughts in a nutshell: Fiora is the Grand Duelist, and really needs to start acting like it.


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Chaowy

Junior Member

02-04-2013

Haha! I like this thread, BUMP!


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Agent109

Member

02-04-2013

Hmm :l Seems quite dead...Bump! This has very good info on it that I think Riot should read.