Sooo.. Maybe someone here will actually answer. Since, as I send questions to Riot, I get pre-forumalted responses which display Riot's pure disregard of my actual message. I get it, they get tons of questions and most are raging players who've been banned. Thus, I inquire here:
First: Why does Riot not follow it's own Summoner's Code? This is copy/paste from the "Code."
"Player feedback is an important force in the decision making process of Riot Games. If you want to make your voice heard, taking the time to let us know how youíre feeling about the game is a good place to start. When you give feedback, make sure you take a holistic approach. If you only give negative feedback, you may find that the changes you influence detract from what you initially enjoyed. Moreover, people are simply more likely to listen if you present yourself in a calm, well thought out manner. That being said, donít be afraid to tell us if you feel strongly, and why. Try to be straightforward, specific, and always try to make your feedback direct and concise".
They hardly ever ACTUALLY respond to inquiries. I highly doubt they even read the majority of questions/inquiries. Can I report Riot? Also, please don't respond here if you're not willing to have an open mind. I don't "hate" Riot. I don't dis-like everything about the Tribunal. In fact, I'll state what I like about it first.
1. Riot's desire to maintain a positive gaming environment is commendable.
2. Riot's desire to help encourage this environment by placing actual players in "control" of which players remain in the system - that they themselves are a part of - is an interesting and most likely innovative method of doing so.
3. Summoner's Code presents some very good guidelines for how one should play LoL.
So, I got suspended. I accepted my suspension. I've served my suspension. I am no longer suspended. No questions regarding my suspension. I got voted yes, sure, whatever. I'll accept it. First time offender (as in, one time suspension-receiver). I didn''t mind sitting out a few days. Here's my case, in case anyone is interested. (Don't come on here stating "You deserved this," "etc" "etc" -- I'm not here asking to be unsuspended or claiming "I don't deserve this." Please, read my post, unlike Riot -- I'm not perfect, I've said things I shouldn't. I accept that).
-- lesson learned.
Now, to my questions:
I posted an inquiry to Riot. I mean, they ask that we do so. So I did. There is a file attachment of the inquiry linked (I posted it in 2 parts, because it was too large to do so in one). Here is a web-link to it, as well. I post both, because when I went to my inquiry, I had to log in with my email, which may mean that you guys can't see it unless you log in with my email --- ain't happenin.
Here's the link -- https://support.leagueoflegends.com/requests/4431093
I'm so glad they "deemed" this "solved."
Before we continue -- and anyone responds... Let's be reminded of a portion of the Summoner's Code:
"When you choose to participate in a discussion with the rest of the playerbase, always try to be receptive to another playerís point of view. If you keep an open mind, youíd be surprised what valuable information you can glean from your fellow players. Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, donít get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight."
Ok, with that out of the way.
This is my biggest problem with the Tribunal Process. People who "Condemn" - or, even earlier, those who "Report" - do NOT take this portion into consideration:
" If someoneís really starting to bother you, the mute and ignore commands are always there to resolve the situation.
And remember, while nobody likes being insulted, it pays to take a moment to consider the circumstances. Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other personís shoes."
If they did, there would not be as many suspensions.
First, what I like (Positivity first!)
1. Encourages respect.
2. Let's people know they can ignore people, and that's ok.
3. Let's people know this is just a game, don't take things personally.
Things I don't like:
1. People can report for 1 word, just one, and this portion of the "Code" suddenly becomes "forgotten."
2. People take things personally all the time, and, well, see the last portion of #1 (under "don't like").
3. People just ignore this portion all together. Why not? It's easier to just click "Report." Right?
Calling people "bad" says nothing about one's personal character or being. Merely how one did in game. I don't say it anymore; not because I think it's wrong, but because I must abide by how people vote in the Tribunal -- not the actual Summoner's Code, mind you.
Which, leads to my likes/dislikes concerning the Tribunal Process.
1. See above: Gives power to players/encourages respect
2. Allows players to see what's being reported -- thus what to encourage/avoid.
3. Let's players take the reigns and have a say in the community.
What I don't like:
1. People spam vote "Punish/Pardon." -- More to this later.
2. People don't actually read the code, they merely vote by their "gut feeling." -- There is no rationale behind the majority of people's voting tendencies.... If someone feels like there was wrong, then there must have been.
3. The process encourages speed. -- Why take time to actually read the transcripts when you can skim them and obviously garner an understanding of the flow of the game, right?
4. Teenagers, Pre-Teens, and even Children play this game and join the Tribunal. I mean, it's bad enough that adults and college students play and participate in the tribunal. Enough pride there... Forget the fact that all these younger people have raging hormones.
5. There's no "Test" to weed out people from condemning/pardoning in the Tribunal.
I figured I'd join the Tribunal process. I went through a few cases, seriously considered who I thought broke the code (the actual code) and pardoned/condemned accordingly. My success rate was below 50%. Then, I went through about 20 cases and just spammed "condemn." -- Success rate jumped above 90%. Who knew, the one case I clicked "Pardon" on was this:
Someone who actually attacked the personality/mind of a person was pardoned. Sure, he attacked the person's gameplay as well, but also their actual being. In the second game, he openly admitted to being "afk." Not condemnable? I think that's "somewhere" in the code.... right?
If I can spam condemn and increase my percentage that well..... This dude in the last case I "pardoned" did deserve to be there for 2 of the reports he was. I'm not sure how he got pardoned. Do people even read the Summoner's Code? I'm just curious.
Simplest solution that I can think of:
Create a test. Then, people who want to participate in the Tribunal have to actually pass something in order to participate. That way, people who don't understand what's going on can't participate. Those who aren't willing to spend the time to "Care" and actually seriously consider what's going on in the game they're examining, can no longer participate.
Like I said earlier. I'm not complaining about my suspension. I don't care about it. I accepted it. Don't hate-spam me saying I'm just mad I was suspended. I'm not. I'm thankful so many people are suspended that deserve it. Those who are truly hateful and disgraceful in game. But, on the flip-side, I'm also ashamed that Riot has allowed so many cases to be condemned/pardoned just because the "system works." It doesn't entirely. There are too many cases which are condemned which shouldn't be. It's a flawed system. It's not a wholly flawed system, but it is flawed nonetheless.
Improvements ARE possible. Why stop looking for them and just spam "IT WORKS. RIOT SAYS IT WORKS. LET'S BELIEVE AND FOLLOW WITHOUT ACTUALLY CONSIDERING OTHER INSTANCES AND IDEAS." Don't post here unless you're willing to think and consider improvements/alternatives. Don't respond here unless you're willing to read my post for understanding. Don't respond here if you're going to copy/paste a response (as Riot seems to enjoy doing).
Oh, and if my thread "disappears," know that Riot has censored once again. I know of a close individual in real life whose forum account suddenly didn't exist on here after posting a thread regarding the Tribunal.
I'm not going to delete my account. Thus, if it's gone, it wasn't by my own doing.
I doubt your friend account was deleted for posting a thread on Tribunal. I will respond to your thread in a second, you have a lot of fallacies in it.
I appreciate your responses. Shiister, I may have a lot of assumptions - nice observation - but, you do as well. Everyone does. It's impossible not to. Now, to respond to some of your questions/statements:
There is a Riot-stated summation. Without testing people on the Riot-stated summation, there is no way to actually tell if people are voting based off this summation. Instead, it's more likely they're voting based on whatever they feel like at the time.
How did you acquire the 85%/15% ratio? Just curious.
My understanding did lead me to my assessment, clearly. But how is that different from anyone else? That's my PRIMARY question. Everyone perceives the SC differently. Everyone. Everyone will pick and choose from the SC what they think is the "worst offense," but not take the ENTIRE code into consideration. That is one of my primary contentions with the SC system. There needs to be something in place which accounts for individuals hyper-focusing on certain aspects of the SC and completely ignoring others.
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