Liandry's Torment??

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DigitMode

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01-20-2013

Is Riot ever planning on bringing this to DOM? I know this item dosnt work on everyone but it would be nice to have this as an alternative to BFT. If the burn passive was unique to stop people from stacking the two then whats the harm with have both available?


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Redeemed In Fire

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01-20-2013

Now that BFT is 4k.... I could almost see this, though it feels like it might be too much overlap and just be broken on the critical characters anyway.


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Orphane

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01-20-2013

It's not an alternative, it's an inferior.


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VoidInsanity

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01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Orphane View Post
It's not an alternative, it's an inferior.
Its actually not inferior, it is superior on any mage with a slowing ability damage wise.

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Liandry's Torment procs every half a second. If your spell is single-target, Liandry will tick 6 times. If your spell is AOE (e.g.Poison Trail), Liandry will tick 3 times. And each tick does 5% divided by 6 (0.833333% of enemy's current hp) magic damage every half a second. Of course this proc damage doubles if enemies are slowed (e.g. Rylais Proc), dealing 1.6666666% magic damage every half a second.
Which is 3.3% per second, compared to BFT's 1.75% per second it is almost double. Meaning Liandry's does more damage vs 100-55%hp targets than bft (but cannot kill) provided you have a slowing ability. The problem is the item is gimmicky due to it only being better if you got a slow, otherwise it is inferior. As an added bonus, this item works on creeps and has no charges.


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LadysKnight

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01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by VoidInsanity View Post
Its actually not inferior, it is superior on any mage with a slowing ability damage wise.



Which is 3.3% per second, compared to BFT's 1.75% per second it is almost double. Meaning Liandry's does more damage vs 100-55%hp targets than bft (but cannot kill) provided you have a slowing ability. The problem is the item is gimmicky due to it only being better if you got a slow, otherwise it is inferior. As an added bonus, this item works on creeps and has no charges.
Liandry's DoT is % of current health. BFT is % of total. BFT is superior


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Phourc

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01-20-2013

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Liandry's DoT is % of current health. BFT is % of total. BFT is superior
Liandry's is good for tagging people at full health and then letting the DoT tick (aka shrooms), it's bad for an actual throwdown where you're trying to kill the enemy, as the damage gets progressively lower as you get closer to killing them (aka actual teamfighting). Plus, the item itself is not so great for casters as it has no CDR.

So putting them both on the map would either mean letting them stack which would be awful (double DoTs and even more flat pen? No thanks!) or making a 'trap' type item that is just massively inferior to BFT.


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VoidInsanity

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01-20-2013

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Liandry's DoT is % of current health. BFT is % of total. BFT is superior
Liandry does double BFT's Damage, it is superior when the target is at 55% or more health if slowed. Learn to read.
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Liandry's is good for tagging people at full health and then letting the DoT tick (aka shrooms), it's bad for an actual throwdown where you're trying to kill the enemy, as the damage gets progressively lower as you get closer to killing them (aka actual teamfighting). Plus, the item itself is not so great for casters as it has no CDR.

So putting them both on the map would either mean letting them stack which would be awful (double DoTs and even more flat pen? No thanks!) or making a 'trap' type item that is just massively inferior to BFT.
Like I said due to it doing double damage vs slowed targets the item is gimmicky however your concern of more flat pen should not be a concern for two reasons.
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  1. Firstly Ghostblade is allowed to co-exist with Black Cleaver and have the pen stack.
  2. Secondly and more importantly, the two items share the Passive Eyes of Pain so the 15 pen would not stack, getting both items on a single champion would be extremely situational (or Teemo).
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It will never happen because of the bold.


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Catnium

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01-20-2013

ghostblade+ black cleaver are allowed to excist together to form the ad's version of tripen .. wich ap champions already have with 2 staffs and a pair of boots , so your saying it will be OK to have mages with 4 penetration items ?


quit trying to buff ap champions even more its beginning to become silly


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VoidInsanity

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01-20-2013

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ghostblade+ black cleaver are allowed to excist together to form the ad's version of tripen .. wich ap champions already have with 2 staffs and a pair of boots , so your saying it will be OK to have mages with 4 penetration items?
Far more OK than it is for AD's to have 2% pen ones. Also BC is 2 pen items in one, so there is your 4.


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Catnium

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01-20-2013

cool so you can have your LT because bc could be seen as 2 pen items because of the proc
so can we ad players get a 2 sec invulnerability item than ?

ap champs got a lot of love already i still say it would be overdoing it by adding LT
i mean face it , dominion is a game where you need to get some survival next to your damage and being a glas cannon is alot harder than on SR where you have lanes and exp differences and farm and such . trying to push damage to a point where it out matches any form of defense is trying to turn dom into a lame version of SR


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