@RIOT Ap Yi nerfs on pbe

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aliasdaikon

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01-20-2013

I would like to start out by saying that I understand this is only on pbe, and not live. I want to try to convince you guys that bringing those nerfs live will destroy yi.

Ap yi has exactly 2 tools, alpha strike and meditate. Alpha strike, especially at early levels, has a very long cooldown and still only hits 4 things. He can only alpha strike a wave one time, and even then, it doesn't kill the minions unless he gets a proc. After that he is left to farm slowly at melee range. He eats a lot of harass while trying to farm with his aa. Meditate allows him to trade harass for farm. Meditate basically allows him to function, and although ap yi functions differently than other champions, he should not be discriminated against because of it.

Other champions in the game have increased base stats to offset the fact that they are melee, but not yi. Yi is part of the special class of champion labeled melee carry. Instead of getting decent base stats, our plucky little samurai must deal with being able to deal a truckload of damage lategame with two steroids. Doing a quick appraisal of all the champions listed as melee carries we will see that all of them are basically useless when it comes to top level competition. Melee carries, in lol, are an entirely broken class of champions, who have been completely outclassed by bruisers. When Yi is played ap, he doesn't even get to take advantage of the two ad steroids he was given to offset his terrible base stats. The only thing ap yi has is that meditate.

The proposed nerf to meditate, reducing the ap ratio from 4.0 to 1.2 along with lowering the base amount, will drastically affect my ap yi, even starting at lvl 2. I take meditate at lvl 2, with alpha strike at lvl 1. Between my runepage/masteries and starting buy of a doran's ring I have 39 ap out of the gate. That means that by the time I hit lvl 2 and try to meditate I will not heal for the expected 296, but instead I will only gain 167. The nerf looks even larger when we start comparing numbers in a lategame build. With 500 ap and a lvl 5 meditate, the old heal would be 2700, and on the pbe that would only heal for 1200. Maybe his current meditate is too strong, I'm not denying that, but the changes you are proposing are not balance, they are destruction. You are basically making ap yi unviable on any level. You are also hurting ad yi by dropping the base heal amount on meditate, and ad yi is already basically useless.

I would like to reiterate that last point once again for a conclusion. This is not balance, it is destruction. I am more than willing to entertain the fact that yi's meditate probably needs to be toned down, but if these changes go live you will completely destroy ap yi, and also the most fun I've ever had playing lol.


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Finn the Human

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01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by aliasdaikon View Post
Ap yi has exactly 2 tools, alpha strike and meditate.
Completely forgot that he had an Ultimate that refreshed all his skills cooldowns if he gets a kill.

AP Yi's place in a team is to clean up.


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Celenphor

Senior Member

01-20-2013

"Please don't make my overpowered champion balanced"

I went ahead and translated this thread. You're welcome.


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Deepfriedspam

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01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by aliasdaikon View Post
The proposed nerf to meditate, reducing the ap ratio from 4.0 to 1.2 along with lowering the base amount
TBH, if they are dropping the ratio that much, they need to leave the base values alone.


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aliasdaikon

Senior Member

01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Celenphor View Post
"Please don't make my overpowered champion balanced"

I went ahead and translated this thread. You're welcome.
You simply didn't read it at all. I even said that I understand meditate needs to be tweaked, but what they are doing is not balancing, they are cutting it in half. If cutting a skill's heal in half makes that skill balanced then that skill was crazy op for ~3 years and no one noticed.


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1st HanarSpectre

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01-20-2013

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You simply didn't read it at all. I even said that I understand meditate needs to be tweaked, but what they are doing is not balancing, they are cutting it in half. If cutting a skill's heal in half makes that skill balanced then that skill was crazy op for ~3 years and no one noticed.
They nerfed most sources of sustain over the past year and a half, meditate was ignored because AP Yi wasn't really popular, now that people play him more often, he's getting the same treatment just about all heavy sustain champion got.


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aliasdaikon

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01-20-2013

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They nerfed most sources of sustain over the past year and a half, meditate was ignored because AP Yi wasn't really popular, now that people play him more often, he's getting the same treatment just about all heavy sustain champion got.
Riot has been running rampant on lane sustain over the past year or so, but with yi it's different, the sustain is an inherent part of his kit. He is an incredibly squishy melee carry with very low base stats, he needs that heal or he will just get rolled out of lane constantly.


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Pookrat

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01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Celenphor View Post
"Please don't make my overpowered champion balanced"

I went ahead and translated this thread. You're welcome.
Sounds right to me. You're getting down voted by AP Yi players though.

I've been waiting for AP Yi nerfs for so long. The butt hurt in the air is glorious.


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AHeroNamedHawke1

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01-20-2013

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I am really bad at this game
I went ahead and translated this post, you're welcome.


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Dryad Soraka

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01-20-2013

"on pbe"

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