why is teemo labled a support?

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PerfidiousAlbion

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01-20-2013

Important utility of supports typically come from healing/shielding allies, buffing allies, providing CC. Teemo doesn't do either of the first two at all and only has very weak CC. His map awareness helps to make up for that, but he's providing it regardless of role

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
teemo is an all around sort of champ who does many things. It is not the actual role of a support champ to not take kills and gold. This just happens to be a very efficient strategy.

Support: Champions whose skills are meant to directly aid the rest of the team. They can either babysit a champion to make laning easier for them by providing healing, buffing allies, applying debuffs to the enemy team, or a combination of the above. The most common ability for a support champion is providing an ally with a shield of some kind. One of the main goals of a support is to let their lane partner farm minions for gold, as supports can buy key gold+ items to get gold for themselves, as well as controlling the map with wards, warding all key areas of the map. These champions usually rely on their skills more than their auto-attack.

Teemo fits this for the most part, he wards and applies two different debuffs.
Teemo doesn't fit that description particularly well at all. He's extremely reliant on his AA, he doesn't buff his allies, his only forms of CC are the weakest available in the game, one of which can't effectively be spot applied and is completely dependent on your opponents positioning. The only support function Teemo provides is map awareness. It's an important one, but he provides it just as well, if not better, when going top lane because then he'll have items to improve the ability, and greater freedom to leave the lane to ward the map because he's not stuck babysitting anyone, while also benefiting his team by being (presumably) a counter pick.

It's also worth noting that, in the current meta, supports are expected to have limited income. Teemo has no late game presence without having quite a bit of farm. Teemo doesn't fit into the support role at all. He can be decent in a kill lane, but there are support champions who do that better. He can harass well, but their are supports who do that better. Most of the champs who fill those roles also don't fall apart late game on a supports income.


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rockdalian

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01-28-2013

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Originally Posted by PerfidiousAlbion View Post
Ding ding ding. His amazing map awareness is why he's labeled as a support. None of his other abilities really qualify.

Many of the tags for older champions are dubious. His 'carry' tag was from back in the day when he was considered a mediocre ADC. That changed quite a while ago.



Teemo is a terrible support. Why pick teemo for his blind when you could pick taric and get a much stronger CC plus an armor buff/debuff and sustain? Teemo also needs a sizable chunk of gold in order to be at all useful late game, where as the whole point of a support is that they can be useful at all stages of the game while having only a small income.
The poke u can easily feed your carry with poison n not even get hit I prefer a melee bruiser to go bot with teemo works great,so far


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Sogreth

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01-28-2013

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Originally Posted by Sheehyr88 View Post
teemo is a great support. Pop outta bush, blind, then run back into bush. Then he just shrooms everything and patiently waits for the right opportunities to pop outta stealth and lay as much poison as possible.
So you guys downvote this guy? Lol, it's exactly why Riot tagged him as a Support, because he can be played as a very good one, he can babysit a carry really well, really good harass, plus he has amazing map control.

I like to max my Q when I play support Teemo, and get my carry to exchange as much as possible, 2.5 seconds of blind, gives my carry the chance to deal some nice damage while the enemy carry does nothing.


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Wolfynsong

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01-28-2013

Teemo might be okay as a kill-lane support, but I've never seen it.

Every Teemo "support" I've seen to date has maxed their on-hit poison first and proceeded to autoattack every minion in sight, which as you can imagine pisses off our ADC a bit.

Anyway, to the OP: Riot's champion tags are heavily outdated at best. I mean, Nocturne isn't even tagged as a jungler.


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omegam0

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01-28-2013

After reading this, I now want to try ap teemo as support. start with q, then e, then w, then max q. once at lvl 6, shrooms everywhere. one key item to get, kages lucky pick. a little ap, and the extra gold income. This way you dont have to worry about cs so much in laning phase, once laning phase is over, play him as a normal ap teemo. Only thing I see that would make this bad, have to have a tanky top/jungler, and everyone has to be getting wards all game (though they should anyway, but most ppl dont)


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Bamboo Worrior

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01-28-2013

you are so damn right, support do have some fancy passive abilities, and thats why people thing they can break through the barrier make them become carry. Seriously this is stupid, be what you are meant to be!


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Tsabo

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01-28-2013

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Originally Posted by CerealBoxOfDoom View Post
teemo is an all around sort of champ who does many things. It is not the actual role of a support champ to not take kills and gold. This just happens to be a very efficient strategy.

Support: Champions whose skills are meant to directly aid the rest of the team. They can either babysit a champion to make laning easier for them by providing healing, buffing allies, applying debuffs to the enemy team, or a combination of the above. The most common ability for a support champion is providing an ally with a shield of some kind. One of the main goals of a support is to let their lane partner farm minions for gold, as supports can buy key gold+ items to get gold for themselves, as well as controlling the map with wards, warding all key areas of the map. These champions usually rely on their skills more than their auto-attack.

Teemo fits this for the most part, he wards and applies two different debuffs.

Also all of those tops you mentioned except for blitz arent known to do as well as support bot.



Blinding Dart - Obscures an enemy's vision with a powerful venom, dealing damage to the target unit and blinding it for the duration.
blinds the target for 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds.
Range 580

Move Quick - runs around doing support jobs like scouting and warding and gets back quickly as long as he isnt hit
Active: teemo pretends you didnt hit him and moves quick anyways

Toxic Shot - Each of Teemo's attacks will poison the target, pissing them off greatly because he's gonna do large amounts of magic damage without actually having to stick around at all which easily zones some champs.

Noxious Trap - teemo places bull**** wards that piss peeople off further making laning very annoying for them. Can also be used for warding areas which you should be doing on top of warding with shrooms
Teemo forages for a mushroom every 35.0/31.0/27.0 seconds, but he is only big enough to carry 3 at once.
Range230


Camouflage - If Teemo stands still and takes no actions for a short duration, he becomes stealthed indefinitely. After leaving stealth, Teemo gains the Element of Surprise, increasing his attack speed by 40% for 3 seconds allowing him to steal jungler buffs, pretend he's a ward, zone champs that cant target him without true sight (hi vayne) and all that other fun stuff
Fixed


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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01-28-2013

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Originally Posted by PerfidiousAlbion View Post
Important utility of supports typically come from healing/shielding allies, buffing allies, providing CC. Teemo doesn't do either of the first two at all and only has very weak CC. His map awareness helps to make up for that, but he's providing it regardless of role



Teemo doesn't fit that description particularly well at all. He's extremely reliant on his AA, he doesn't buff his allies, his only forms of CC are the weakest available in the game, one of which can't effectively be spot applied and is completely dependent on your opponents positioning. The only support function Teemo provides is map awareness. It's an important one, but he provides it just as well, if not better, when going top lane because then he'll have items to improve the ability, and greater freedom to leave the lane to ward the map because he's not stuck babysitting anyone, while also benefiting his team by being (presumably) a counter pick.

It's also worth noting that, in the current meta, supports are expected to have limited income. Teemo has no late game presence without having quite a bit of farm. Teemo doesn't fit into the support role at all. He can be decent in a kill lane, but there are support champions who do that better. He can harass well, but their are supports who do that better. Most of the champs who fill those roles also don't fall apart late game on a supports income.
if teemo is actually killing you with his AA and not his poison which he places on you before running away you should feel bad


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