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Fiora counters Jax.

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LePWNa

Senior Member

01-19-2013

Fiora might win trades 1-4, but after that it's all downhill from her. Jax is the textbook counter to Fiora... anyway that says otherwise is delusional.


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Fukaro

Senior Member

01-19-2013

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Valory:
Posting because GD sheep think otherwise.

Deal with it.

You say its because we are sheep.

We say it because jax can negate fiora hurting him for 2 seconds(even her ult) and stun her.

stop assuming


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Winkylinks

Member

01-19-2013

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Valory:
Then she wins every trade and can use her ult to finish you off as soon as counter strike is on cd. You do realize that as he jumps + counter strikes to her that she can lunge away to a minion and then back to him. Right?! Like Fiora can out play Jax's entire skill set with even minimal thinking ability.

maybe the jax's that you play against at your elo do that but to use every cooldown at the same time in 1 engagement is stupid.

most of the time jax walks up to fiora when she tries to auto, pops counter-strike hits her, if she dashes he jumps to her and stuns gets a free W off and can prob run away.

post 6 he has alot more dmg from his harass. auto auto W enemy champion for tons of harass dmg.

The problem with Counter-Strike is the cooldown on it is much shorter than fiora ulti cooldown. So jax can use it probably twice in a 'all in' encounter. once in the beg and once for her ultimate. most of the time fiora will not use her ultimate in the beg of a fight therefor jax is safe to pop it that early. if however she does pop it early in the fight and his counter-strike is off CD than he can easily beat her in any engagement following because she has no ultimate.


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OhBehave

Junior Member

01-19-2013

You OBV. haven't played much Jax.

Even with a lead Fiora doesn't wanna answer Jax's Q+W + Ult proc AA burst he can do to her about every she will come close to the minion wave,


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Nasdrovia499

Senior Member

01-19-2013

Uh...pre-6 Jax just farms, if you poke with Q he'll just W you in the face (the magic damage goes through riposte), if you stay in melee you will lose the trade HARD since your burst of speed is negated by his counterstrike, if you lunge away he'll just jump on you and smack some more...
Post 6 you're dead, he can just walk up to you and bash your face. Your W wont do much, he can negate either your E or R (and reduce the other one with his ult), and you can only Q him once if you want to keep an escape - use it twice and you're dead.


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Focus Sash

Senior Member

01-19-2013

Typically speaking, if one of their rank 1 skills counters your ultimate while also being on a much lower cooldown, you're not going to win the matchup.


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RagingDonger

Senior Member

01-19-2013

OP.., plz consider Jax's has an active to his ultimate. We're talking about countering Fiora's Ultimate or her steroid with Jax's E. Both of which have fairly obscene cooldowns compared to counterstrike. If Jax doesn't want to lose duel and save his counterstrike for Fiora he can simply out tank Fiora by using his ultimate which last sufficiently long to bait out her ultimate to disengage from the progressively lost duel. Fiora can out DPS Jax for a very brief duration but the brief duration she can out-DPS Jax is not sufficient to out DPS jax for an extended duration. Particulary if he chooses to use his ultimate to counter Fiora's DPS and his counterstrike to negate Fiora's ult.
Sure in lane, Fiora has more mobility and can harass and trade more easily for in brief engagements but this is post lvl 6 with the threat of her ultimate to be factored so most Jax will opt to reserve their counter strike, however she has to keep her engagements brief and disengage with her Q by jumping to safety to a minion. Even then Jax can opt to leap after her to continue the trade.

With no enemy minions (or monsters) nearby, Fiora should lose the engage since she won't have enough of a disengage option. Thus allowing Jax to freely use his ultimate without it being a bait engagement and benefit from Fiora's only remaining option from her engage being her ultimate since all other spells should have been utilised in her harass. In this scenario Jax can comfortably choose to counterstrike Fiora's engagement and either stun her OR bait her into missing the 1st strike of her ultimate (which is the heaviest blow) and then doing the remaining reduced damage strikes on a Jax in his ultimate's additional armour.


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Warm Gun

Senior Member

01-19-2013

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Valory:
Clearly this sheep doesn't understand that as long as Fiora has her ult up Jax can't use his counter strike in which she will win every trade with Riposte, Burst of Speed double lunge and her passive.


This is interesting, I may try this some time to confirm.


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