New League System in Ranked

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Litose

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01-15-2013

so if I get this right....this new system doesnt change the MM at all, its just a way to better see your progression, am i right?


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Johnnie5DubV

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01-15-2013

So, basically, we are still using the elo system for matchmaking and the only difference is that you can't see that elo... Don't understand how this makes any difference except that i can't tell how much i am improving or not...


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silpeamak

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01-15-2013

lulz at all those people who said that the Starcraft rating/ranking system can't be used in LoL due to the differences in the games...


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ipwnproz

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01-15-2013

I will be seen Dyrus and Oddone there :P


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Ozmega

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01-15-2013

playing against my friends? PURRFECT
i mean, it will be funny :P i have never had a soloq game against a friend.


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Strident

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01-15-2013

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Originally Posted by MoooveZiiig View Post
I don't like SC2's system, and I don't like this system either. I think you're overthinking it, and the amount of changes you'll have to do to it over time will be mindboggling. Moreover, you added this gem:



That is such a terribad idea. You know your system creates outliers - people that do not belong to a certain Elo, but end up there through happenstance and luck. You're locking these outliers up in a group where they don't belong.

Okay, outliers that aren't lucky and lose more than they should, and then climb back up won't be affected. But those that win a lot of placement matches out of nowhere and are placed in gold, might then spend the entirety of the season making gold players' life miserable by playing at a significantly lower skill level than them, all the while being unable to go back down to Silver or Bronze where they belong so they can actually have some fun instead of getting wrecked and yelled at all the time.

Unless matchmaking is absolutely separate from skill ranking, and that Bronze players can be matched with Gold players because, behind, Elo doesn't change. Which brings the point - why even bother?

Because if Elo is how you calculate matchmaking, you'll have to tweak the weight of Elo in the calculation of league points, if Elo is still the main measure of matchmaking, else you'll end up with players standing at a much higher Elo compared to the other players of their league, but will remain unable to advance because they're playing for 50%, at their Elo. A Plat level player, at a Plat level Elo, stuck in a Gold league because he spends his days playing Plat level opponents.

So either you end up with bad players, who end up being statistical outliers, stuck playing against players out of their league for a long period of time - yet bragging of their skill rank! - creating horrendous matchmaping nightmares for everyone concerned, or you end up with a system that shows a very poor representation of actual skill.

I'm calling it right now. The first change you'll have to make to your system is that you'll have to make a "Relegation Series" (call it something happier if you want) happen when players hit 0 points in the lowest league of their skill level (or lower, calculated in some hidden metric so that players that just join a new skill rank don't face a relegation immediately if they lose a game).

If, also, the system is weighted in that if you are of an higher Elo than what your skill rank, or division is, you'll end up with some poor shmuck stuck in gold that just kept losing because he didn't belong there, his Elo drifted back to 1100 and now he just can't leave 1st division, no matter what. In fact, him regaining 200 Elo wouldn't help him (if the system is weighted correctly), or he'd hit Platinum skill rating once his Elo hit 1500. Both are quite undesirable, I must say.

I hope you tested this thing thoroughly. Because the way I see it, no matter the way you set it up you're opening one hell of a can of worms.
An incredibly obvious solution that is flying over your head right now is to weigh games based on the ratio between the MMR of players you played against versus the MRR of the players within your league division. Furthermore, the first scenario your proposed is ridiculous and was already dismissed by around the 2nd Riot post. Lastly, there is no possible scenario where you could be far below the average MMR of your tier and still be in the top division.


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DarkHorn

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01-15-2013

looking forward for these patch


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Leeto

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01-15-2013

This is exactly what people have been complaining about in the SC2 ladder ever since it came out and is one of the reasons why I like LoL ranked play. I like having a standard rating that I can use to compare myself with the other 300000 players on the ladder rather than being limited to the people in my division.


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meadow

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01-15-2013

Wait a second, if one division is 250 players, and you would end up in hypothetically Divison Bronze 15 you would NEED to beat atleast 3749 other players (excluding yourself) in league points and beating FIFTEEN DIVISION promotions before even ending up in the PROMOTIONAL DIVISION before you end up in Division Silver 200000th due other players doing the entire same thing. This means that the climb from perhaps very poor luck players from Bronze to Diamond will be like over 9000.

Please enlighten my point >:|


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Comedian

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01-15-2013

Will this be in the next patch?