Love this game, but sick of the system put in place.

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GØÐWIÑ

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01-13-2013

Alrighty, this may get a little lengthy, but for the bored or any potential Riot employees that will likely have deaf ears anyway...

I love this game. I've logged thousands of hours playing it for the past two+ years, have assisted countless new players and "clueless" players in general and received numerous medal accommodations from teammates and enemy players alike. I tend to only play Ranked matches, which went over the 2,500-3,000 mark in Season 2 and over 300 thus far in Season 3. This isn't even considering multiple accounts.

Yes, I have visited Elo Hell before and it can be quite frustrating at times and a player can lose their cool without IMO, going "over the top" in trying to educate others or dare to minorly tell someone off for intentionally wasting your time (not that they are simply guilty of poor play, just intentionally trolling/AFKing in ranked). We're all human. Not every instance of being guilty of such things that are obviously uncommon-to-rare in frequency needs to be judged by holier-than-thou people that are NOT presented every detail behind the behavior.

I've acted in the same manner throughout my LoL playtime. I tend to be pretty chill and calm in nature, but will voice my opinion when warranted (see above situations) and typically in reaction to being attacked in-game. Granted, I shouldn't feed the trolls per se, but just try putting in the same effort, having your time wasted with the players that should actually get punished, and convince me that it is so beyond easy to just bend over without saying a word in return. To the majority of us that play online games and actually give two ****s over their outcome, it isn't easy to stay muted while it transpires due to trolls. I've played online since the mid 90s in various forms. I have never had any account punished in any other of hundreds of games since that time, until I started playing LoL with the flawed system implemented here. Never once.

This is now my third punishment in LoL. I went a year and a half without any Tribunal visits. I've had three mysteriously now within the past few months. With my first, I received a warning that wasn't even presented to me in-game, but the email account I signed up with and rarely check got blessed with the notification. The only hint of anything in-game was that my award ribbons and votes for the various positive aspects of my game-play magically disappeared. I assumed this was either a glitch, or an extreme silent punishment for having a couple duo partners that felt teamwork votes were warranted and perhaps Riot thought they were unearned. From that point on, I instructed every one of my duos to never vote for me in anything as a precaution.

When I underwent my second Tribunal visit, I do admit there was some flowery language in two of the cases, but again, when comparatively reviewing others in the case, how events occurred, etc, any rational person with a brain would likely lean towards no punishment (especially if given actual figures of missing data such as games played vs amount of reports EVER placed against me vs amount of positive feedback received from other players. But no, we can't FATHOM using such a system - just a simple, uneducated transcript of conversation with k/d/a ratios of the team. I will get a lil bold in my speech here: What pure DUMBASS came up with this system? Does every Riot employee collectively agree that this is even the best it can be tweaked and that every decision is justifiable given the extremely limited data produced for the Tribunal? Are each of you so damn politically-correct, thin-skinned children that just began playing online games in the past five years since you graduated?

Anyway, back on subject. I read the reviews, didn't quite agree with the decision, but quietly accepted my 3 day vacation from LoL. It was kinda refreshing tbh and perhaps needed to put things in perspective for me. What began to worry me though, was whether the slate was wiped clean to any cases prior to or after the cases presented in that decision, or if my $300-$500 investment in this game would potentially be perma-banned by rolling cumulative cases before I received my "education in behavior" for dealing with trolls and truly negative people in this community. I logged back in and behaved like a silent whipped pup and surprisingly, had teammates furious with me for not speaking (as I tried to vow internally to keep quiet in an preventative effort). I almost forgot to include this, but when I received the banned message when attempting to login for that 2nd punishment, I did at this time go to that email account that I used to sign up and discovered my first and second disciplinary actions at the same time (thanks for no in-game msg for that first, Riot - /clap). Thank you very much for stripping all of my positive votes for the second time as part of the punishment decision. Classy. At this juncture, I learned that any time spent in the Tribunal = lose all rewards earned from my many positive matches that FAR outweighed my few negative.

So on to the third and most recent (an hour or so ago) Tribunal visit. After reviewing the cases (1 vote from only 1 person in each of the 5 presented - clearly not a majority present that should be required to even go to the Tribunal), I am at my most disheartened state in regards to this game and my future with it. Complete petty and uneducated bull****, to be frank. Sure, I only received another three day suspension. Sure, I should be fine with it, bend over, and see ya again peeps in only three days, but I'm not. I am now second guessing even logging back into the game, because I've realized how pathetically precarious keeping my account can be now. All champs owned - potentially gone unjustifiably. All viable runesets for competitive play - potentially gone unjustifiably. Skins for a majority of the 100+ champs (some multiple) - potentially gone unjustifiably. All positive votes/rewards awarded to me by my peers - potentially gone unjustifiably. Or rather, perhaps next time it will be justified, but a permaban may be utilized because of unjustifiable Tribunal visits previously.

Yes, I've read the Summoner's Code and yes, I accepted it with the intent of upholding it throughout my time with this awesome game, but yes, I am human and will error at times. I foolishly thought that there was an unwritten acceptance of behavior unless crossing the line plainly too far and at least for X instances and a ratio of positive games vs rare negative actions. I figured that a "proven" system like the Tribunal would be much more complete in presenting people with the facts and such than what it truly is. I assumed too much and I get that.

I may not care to login anymore and that is obviously not a threat and would be a poor one if it were, as Riot does not care due to the sheer numbers anyway. I'm just to a point wherein the stress of being permabanned and losing such an investment of time, money, friendships, etc may not match my desire to keep going with it. I'll provide the facts of a couple reports from this most recent punishment below. I'm not presenting this massive post as a whiny child that is raging vs The Man, or for the decision to be changed, or anything similar. I'm complaining and voicing my opinion over such a flawed system that has been implemented and will one day be one of the worst decisions that Riot made in regards to the game, due to likely losing a number of players along the way from it.

Punish the AFKers, disconnecting rage-quitters, intentional feeders, or those spending the majority of the match cursing at everyone, threatening people, etc. Punishing players that are passionate about the game and are guilty of being human with the occasional slip of the proverbial personal filter is just a horribly bad decision.

Case #1 - 15/9/15 Nasus in ranked play:

Background that I remember vividly. I was first pick on our team, called top lane, and dared to actually take that lane. The last pick of our team was a troll Irelia that demanded top anyway and refused to support or even be a kill lane for bot. Irelia's terribad reasoning for reporting me:

Reported by: Ally

"this kid took my solo top line and he think he can report me idk if he did but in queue he troll me and he did installok nasus so he let me support i really don't care if i support but we were picking in the same time and when the game started he start trolling me and abuse me so hard i hope you ban this kid riot"

I'm not a kid. I'm 34 years old. I work hard at my job, take care of my family, and do not enjoy my limited time being wasted by people like this. After attempting to convince Irelia to do the right thing in Champ Select for my and my team's ranked match, the following transcript and my spattering of frustration is below:

Brand [00:00:39] yo shyv
Nasus [00:00:41] and irelia is afk
Brand [00:00:43] can I get second blue?
Graves [00:01:06] she's here
Nasus [00:01:09] yay
Shyvana [00:01:10] YEA
Brand [00:01:15] and headed top
Brand [00:01:16] lol
Brand [00:01:17] L
Nasus [00:01:18] irelia
Brand [00:01:18] O
Nasus [00:01:19] go bot
Brand [00:01:20] L
Graves [00:01:47] ill solo
Graves [00:01:48] its fine
Brand [00:01:50] sh!t
Nasus [00:01:51] no
Nasus [00:01:53] I need to farm q
Irelia [00:01:57] ya nasuss can support me
Nasus [00:01:59] and can't if irelia stays top
Nasus [00:02:05] I will report you
Nasus [00:02:08] for not listening to team
Irelia [00:02:09] go ahed kid
Irelia [00:02:27] u take may top
Nasus [All] [00:03:01] report irelia
Irelia [All] [00:03:05] plz do
Nasus [00:03:10] STOP IT
Graves [00:03:55] i need someone bot
Graves [00:03:59] seriously
Nasus [00:04:03] moron feeder
Graves [00:04:03] irelia
Graves [00:04:05] come ****ing bot
Brand [00:04:06] you're both ****ing bot
Brand [00:04:10] just to be d!cks
Irelia [All] [00:04:18] lol he ks
Graves [00:04:24] irelia....
Irelia [All] [00:04:24] then he say moron feeder
Graves [00:04:27] please dude
Graves [00:04:34] why dont you want to win?
Graves [00:05:01] man **** this game
Graves [00:05:03] honestly
Brand [00:05:38] no?
Irelia [00:06:33] lol idk really
Irelia [00:06:39] just gona take my top farm now
Graves [00:06:48] why
Irelia [00:06:50] he is farming
Graves [00:06:50] why
Graves [00:06:53] just come bot
Brand [00:06:54] really?
Irelia [00:06:56] and i don't likie that
Graves [00:06:57] dude....................
Irelia [00:07:00] like*
Graves [00:07:06] IRELIA
Graves [00:07:11] COME ON MAN...
Graves [00:07:21] I'm asking you to help me
Graves [00:07:26] please
Nasus [All] [00:07:51] please report the troll irelia - whole team is begging her to have a brain
Nasus [All] [00:07:57] and of course she refuses
Irelia [All] [00:08:01] me?
Irelia [All] [00:08:06] you take nasus
Irelia [All] [00:08:09] and my top
Graves [00:08:10] please just help me irelia
Irelia [All] [00:08:11] vs vlad
Graves [00:08:17] fine
Graves [00:08:19] nasus
Graves [00:08:21] you come bot
Nasus [All] [00:08:21] I AM HIGHER ELO AN DWILL
Graves [00:08:26] you come bot nasus
Graves [00:08:40] NASUS
Graves [00:08:42] come bot
Graves [00:08:46] im asking YOU now
Nasus [00:08:49] fine this is stupid
Graves [00:08:51] report YOU if you dont come
Nasus [00:08:55] writing a novel in your report irelia
Nasus [00:09:01] I hope they ban ya a couple days
Graves [00:09:04] ****ing BOT ALREADY ****ING GONE
Graves [All] [00:09:16] EVERY GAME I PLAYED
Graves [All] [00:09:21] I GET ****ING TROLLED
Graves [All] [00:09:27] HOW IS THIS FAIR?
Brand [00:09:38] mid mia
Graves [All] [00:09:43] I BEG for my teammates help
Brand [00:09:45] why would u take blue?
Graves [All] [00:09:48] and they TROLL ME
Nasus [All] [00:09:52] I know how you feel
Nasus [All] [00:09:57] only one trolled you
Irelia [All] [00:10:05] STFU
Irelia [All] [00:10:06] NASUS
Varus [All] [00:10:15] stop it in all chat plz
Irelia [All] [00:10:18] k
Irelia [All] [00:10:23] but he start it
Graves [All] [00:10:26] report Irelia, please.
Irelia [All] [00:10:29] for?
Graves [All] [00:10:35] For trolling.
Irelia [All] [00:10:37] he take my top
Irelia [All] [00:10:41] and then he say
Nasus [All] [00:10:44] DAMN SHUNPO
Nasus [All] [00:10:49] just wanted to land ignite =P
Graves [00:10:53] BOTTOM LINE
Graves [00:10:58] you REFUSE to help
Brand [00:10:59] r u ****ing kidding?
Irelia [All] [00:11:00] i asked top and you didn't talk
Shyvana [00:11:01] JUST DONT TALK PLZ
Graves [00:11:01] you IGNORE me
Katarina [All] [00:11:01] lol
Brand [All] [00:11:06] 1hp
Graves [00:11:09] so I REPORT YOU
Irelia [All] [00:11:14] if he was 1st pick
Irelia [All] [00:11:23] i won't go top
Shyvana [00:11:23] SHUT THE **** UP
Nasus [00:11:38] going bot graves
Nasus [00:11:39] calm donw
Nasus [00:11:40] breathe
Nasus [00:11:46] buy wards
Nasus [00:11:47] I forgot
Nasus [00:11:48] lol
Brand [00:11:51] wow
Brand [00:11:53] WOW
Irelia [00:11:57] now you are trying to get more frinde to report nasus?
Graves [00:12:04] let me farm cs
Graves [00:12:05] ffs
Vladimir [All] [00:12:16] cmon now the bait was obv
Graves [00:13:25] ALL GROUP
Graves [00:15:00] why....
Nasus [00:15:09] idk
Nasus [00:15:11] we have trolls
Graves [00:15:12] man
Nasus [00:15:13] and feeders
Graves [00:15:15] **** everything
Irelia [00:15:15] ya
Graves [00:15:19] **** this ****ing stupid game
Irelia [00:15:19] ire fult
Irelia [All] [00:15:27] yah my fult now
Nasus [00:15:28] reported irelia just stop talking
Irelia [All] [00:15:30] that nasus die
Irelia [00:15:42] am not the one who talked bi tch
Irelia [All] [00:15:50] muetd nasus
Irelia [All] [00:15:52] and reported
Nasus [All] [00:15:58] lol, what for
Nasus [All] [00:16:05] you trolled champ select and are feeding
Irelia [All] [00:16:40] i didn't troll in champ select
Irelia [All] [00:16:42] u did
Brand [00:17:18] MY FARM MID
Brand [00:17:29] or u could be a b!tch
Nasus [00:18:12] ]why do you chase into 3 to die
Graves [00:18:13] ****ing autolock jungler
Shyvana [00:18:28] REALLY?
Shyvana [00:18:31] REALLY?
Shyvana [00:18:40] U GOT **** TO SAY TO ME
Shyvana [00:18:46] COME ON
Nasus [00:18:51] yeah you make terrible choices
Nasus [00:18:51] tbh
Nasus [00:18:55] 1/5
Graves [00:19:24] lol
Graves [00:19:32] k..
Brand [00:20:24] nice ks *******
Shyvana [00:20:25] AND
Shyvana [00:20:28] NOBODY
Shyvana [00:20:31] EVEN ATTACKED
Shyvana [00:20:33] CARRY
Shyvana [00:20:43] BUT ME
Graves [00:20:47] fail
Graves [00:20:48] fail
Graves [00:20:49] fail
Brand [00:20:50] dude
Graves [00:20:50] fail
Nasus [00:20:51] raging feeders
Brand [00:20:53] I killed the adc
Shyvana [00:20:57] LOL?
Brand [00:20:58] except that nassus ks'd me
Brand [00:21:04] even though I did 99%
Brand [00:21:12] err kat
Graves [00:21:14] this game is so lame now
Brand [00:21:16] killed kat
Graves [00:21:27] the community is terrible
Graves [00:21:29] no teamwork
Nasus [00:21:30] yes
Nasus [00:21:32] it is
Graves [00:21:52] everyone thinks they're pro at a certain lane with a certain champ
Graves [00:21:56] hence shyv
Graves [00:21:58] hence irelia
Graves [00:22:13] they watch one livestream and think they're pro
Graves [00:22:16] sigh
Irelia [00:22:20] dude
Irelia [00:22:22] am ---
Graves [00:22:23] elo hell because i play drunk
Irelia [00:22:25] this is my sumrf
Graves [00:22:29] jaja
Irelia [00:22:29] idc if it get ban
Irelia [00:22:31] for really
Graves [00:22:36] cool story bro
Brand [00:23:44] man graves
Brand [00:23:45] come on
Brand [00:23:47] map awareness
Brand [00:23:51] u continued to farm minions
Brand [00:23:53] u saw me
Graves [00:23:54] map awareness
Graves [00:23:56] ??
Graves [00:24:01] why did you keep fighting is my question
Brand [00:24:02] just up lanbe from you
Nasus [00:24:02] guys please
Nasus [00:24:03] listen
Nasus [00:24:07] stfu with the fightingh
Nasus [00:24:09] we can win
Brand [00:24:10] because i almost killed both of them
Nasus [00:24:11] be together
Graves [00:24:16] if we ALL GROUP
Graves [00:24:20] we can actually ACE
Brand [00:24:20] and if u had stopped famring minions and moved up sooner
Graves [00:24:22] and win
Brand [00:24:24] they would both be dead
Graves [00:24:33] okay brand
Nasus [00:24:34] GROUP UP
Graves [00:24:34] sorry
Graves [00:24:40] we can still win
Graves [00:24:43] IF WE GROUP UP
Nasus [00:26:12] Like I said
Irelia [00:26:33] team
Irelia [00:26:33] wtf
Irelia [00:26:51] now we can win
Irelia [00:26:58] we need drag
Graves [00:26:58] GOOD **** FELLAS
Nasus [00:27:28] wait for me
Nasus [00:27:30] do NOT
Nasus [00:27:32] soread out
Brand [00:27:34] let's push mid
Nasus [00:27:34] spread out
Brand [00:27:41] actually
Brand [00:27:41] top
Brand [00:27:42] top
Nasus [00:28:02] brand wtf
Graves [00:28:56] IRELIA I ****ING LOVE YOU
Graves [00:29:04] I AM ****ING HONORING ALL OF YOU AFTER THIS GAME
Irelia [00:29:05] b
Graves [00:29:09] SORRY FOR FLIPPING OUT
Irelia [00:29:24] lol i think u will report me
Graves [00:29:27] nope
Graves [00:29:32] ull see the +honor
Brand [00:30:05] omw
Nasus [00:30:34] FIGHT BEHIN DTHE DAMN TURRET
Graves [00:30:35] why
Graves [00:31:01] LMAO
Brand [00:31:01] lol
Irelia [All] [00:31:01] LOLZ
Graves [00:31:02] LMAO
Graves [00:31:03] LMAO
Graves [00:31:04] LMAO
Irelia [All] [00:31:13] surr and stop waesting my time
Brand [00:31:16] kat up
Brand [00:31:22] 20 secs on rest
Irelia [00:31:38] ...
Nasus [All] [00:32:40] try and gank me clown
Graves [00:33:56] OMFG
Nasus [00:33:59] RECALL BRAND
Irelia [00:34:08] they baron now
Irelia [00:34:12] or mid
Shyvana [00:34:27] LOL
Nasus [00:36:56] BACK
Irelia [00:39:29] 3 ga lol
Graves [00:39:36] i have one too
Graves [00:39:38] lol
Irelia [00:39:42] but it's gone
Nasus [00:40:07] BACK
Irelia [00:40:20] we cane 3v5
Nasus [All] [00:41:29] nasus op
Graves [All] [00:41:43] LOL
Shyvana [00:41:44] GOT PENTA ON NASUS
Graves [All] [00:41:45] LOL
Taric [All] [00:41:45] not from u from my team !!
Graves [All] [00:41:46] LOL
Graves [All] [00:41:48] LOL
Taric [All] [00:41:49] report them
Graves [All] [00:41:49] LOL
Taric [All] [00:41:52] all
Graves [All] [00:41:58] its hilarious that we came back
Graves [All] [00:42:04] ITS PITIFUL THAT WE CAME BACK
Vladimir [All] [00:42:20] throws to strong
Taric [All] [00:42:21] its not like that i told them to do something and they do the opposite !!
Taric [All] [00:42:53] and they say that u get strong
Nasus [00:43:51] where the **** is graves
Graves [00:43:59] I was b...
Graves [00:44:01] for a while
Nasus [00:44:06] throw sir
Nasus [00:44:07] throw.
Nasus [00:44:18] DO DAMAGE
Nasus [00:44:27] omg.
Brand [All] [00:44:27] omg
Shyvana [00:44:28] GG
Brand [00:44:28] lame
Shyvana [00:44:42] LOL
Irelia [00:45:16] end now
Irelia [All] [00:45:28] Gg
Katarina [All] [00:45:30] gg
Taric [All] [00:46:03] gg wp
Graves [All] [00:46:03] ggwp
Nasus [All] [00:46:04] dat nasus carry
Graves [All] [00:46:06] CUMBACCKKK
Taric [All] [00:46:11] hhhhh idiots
Irelia [All] [00:46:11] Gg
Vladimir [All] [00:46:13] plz dont kat or taric u two

First, Irelia was AFK at the start of the match. When they did return to the game, they attempted forcing the issue by duoing top lane with me and leaving Graves solo, refusing to listen to the team's (not simply mine) urgings to do what was needed. Irelia finally relented and left top, but began to double jungle, randomly stole cs from my lane and mid instead of helping Graves in bot, and feed the enemy at every opportunity in the early stages. At this point, I gave up on my justified role in top and moved to bot, YIELDING top to the troll. You can see while my tone is strong, the only really negative things were begging for Irelia to be reported due to their actions and an occasional curse acronym like stfu when finally trying to stop the in-fighting. I happened to carry that game and it was a nice comeback ranked win. I helped turn the negative into a positive and made my side use teamwork to pull it off. Is Irelia punished (admittedly, they finally did try towards the end)? I bet not. Why is this even included as an example in my Tribunal case? The only person that reported me was the troll and the gibberish they spewed in the report and throughout the game should have been a clue to those "lovely people" that voted to punish me. Whatever.

My final example as this is getting waaaay too long and people will likely whine about it:

Lux [All] [00:01:02] glhf guys
Nasus [00:01:06] interesting. never saw a cho start mana crystal in jungle
Evelynn [All] [00:01:07] same
Jarvan IV [All] [00:01:08] same to you
Nasus [00:01:08] are you ap?
Katarina [All] [00:01:14] mhm
Ezreal [00:01:17] lol
Cho'Gath [00:01:57] tjhans
Nasus [All] [00:03:37] nice try
Cho'Gath [00:04:56] eve.....
Evelynn [00:05:03] oom bro
Evelynn [00:05:16] i'm useless early game with no mana XD
Cho'Gath [00:05:19] your w
Cho'Gath [00:05:28] doesnt cost shiit
Evelynn [00:05:37] and?
Cho'Gath [00:05:54] you could have speeded up and kill her
Cho'Gath [00:05:58] just 1 hit
Ezreal [00:07:36] gjgj
Jarvan IV [All] [00:07:38] what the hell
Jarvan IV [All] [00:07:40] cho you hacker
Cho'Gath [All] [00:07:46] ?
Nasus [00:07:47] no damn mana
Nasus [00:07:50] free kill at top
Jarvan IV [All] [00:07:56] no knock up
Nasus [All] [00:07:59] raka I hate your ult
Jarvan IV [All] [00:08:04] it went straith through you
Cho'Gath [All] [00:08:08] i walked the other way
Soraka [All] [00:08:10] ty :3
Jarvan IV [All] [00:08:13] bs lol
Lux [00:08:48] bot miss
Nasus [00:10:27] MI
Nasus [00:10:28] MIA
Evelynn [00:10:40] little ****en late ******
Nasus [00:10:45] hey *******
Jarvan IV [All] [00:10:46] yolo garen
Jarvan IV [All] [00:10:47] lo
Nasus [00:10:48] I was chased thru jungle
Nasus [00:10:51] get that?
Ezreal [00:11:00] hm ..
Nasus [00:11:03] J4 and garen chasing me
Nasus [00:11:15] so next time bet hankful I at least TRIED to warn ya
Nasus [All] [00:11:44] MIA
Cho'Gath [00:11:51] wow
Jarvan IV [All] [00:11:56] how about no
Cho'Gath [All] [00:11:57] this eve
Nasus [00:12:00] ward your lane eve
Evelynn [00:12:12] nasus stfu
Cho'Gath [All] [00:12:15] eve got owned by kat
Lux [00:12:20] bot miss
Nasus [00:12:27] no, ward it
Nasus [00:12:29] its ranked
Evelynn [00:12:38] i could care less
Nasus [00:12:43] ikr.
Nasus [00:13:36] garen has sunfire already , lol
Cho'Gath [All] [00:13:54] good heal
Ezreal [00:14:44] I think this is gg lol
Ezreal [00:14:46] ROFL
Cho'Gath [00:14:53] yep
Cho'Gath [00:14:59] sorry couldnt come bot
Nasus [00:15:01] no it is not
Nasus [00:15:09] don't play ranked if you are quitters that can't try to come from behind
Cho'Gath [All] [00:15:40] kat free farm
Ezreal [00:16:05] can u guy
Cho'Gath [00:16:29] are you reatead
Ezreal [00:16:29] this is afwul ...
Soraka [All] [00:16:36] jarvan one love.
Jarvan IV [All] [00:16:48] WTF
Jarvan IV [All] [00:16:49] LOL
Nasus [00:17:07] can I get one gank - sick of him living with --- hp
Nasus [00:17:10] one
Nasus [00:17:11] just one
Nasus [00:17:14] its been 20 mins
Cho'Gath [00:17:47] sorry
Evelynn [00:17:48] he was helping me
Ezreal [00:17:50] cho
Cho'Gath [00:17:50] i was bussy
Evelynn [00:17:50] ****en relax
Nasus [00:17:54] yeah you need it too
Nasus [00:17:55] ward yet?
Ezreal [00:17:56] busy for wht ?? lol
Ezreal [00:18:06] where have u been then ?
Evelynn [00:18:12] with me XD
Nasus [00:18:21] my god
Nasus [00:18:37] talk about bad damn timing for J4 to show up on that one gank I finally get
Cho'Gath [00:19:15] man
Cho'Gath [00:19:26] i told you eve got owned by kad
Cho'Gath [00:19:28] kat
Evelynn [00:19:42] i'm only 5/6 and 3 of those weren't from her
Evelynn [00:19:45] that's not owned
Cho'Gath [00:19:49] look at farm
Ezreal [00:19:56] look ur cs man
Nasus [00:19:57] only 6?
Evelynn [00:19:59] she's kat ffs
Nasus [00:20:00] you've taken our junle
Cho'Gath [00:20:02] im jungle......
Ezreal [00:20:22] b
Nasus [00:20:29] HELLO
Ezreal [00:20:30] wow ...
Ezreal [00:20:35] u just needed to b
Nasus [00:20:36] Yeah and its your fault
Nasus [00:20:47] totally ignored top
Nasus [00:20:50] and now a fed garen
Nasus [00:20:53] when I HAD him ok
Nasus [00:21:12] ty lux
Cho'Gath [00:21:17] man
Cho'Gath [00:21:26] i wish we had a better mid
Evelynn [00:21:31] cho stfu
Evelynn [00:21:34] you're annoying
Nasus [00:21:49] why did you chase him
Evelynn [00:21:53] i wish i had a jungler who could actually gank too but that's not happenining
Nasus [All] [00:22:34] HOW MUCH HELP DO YOU NEED CONSTANTLY
Nasus [00:22:49] wow gj guys
Ezreal [00:23:08] I think
Cho'Gath [00:23:10] really eve
Ezreal [00:23:13] ur RAMBO
Ezreal [00:23:16] attitude
Ezreal [00:23:19] made this game
Cho'Gath [00:23:23] i was basically camp mid for your asss
Ezreal [00:23:34] nasus .
Cho'Gath [00:23:41] we almost got first kill but no
Ezreal [00:23:41] I saw 3 times
Cho'Gath [00:23:48] you chose not to
Ezreal [00:23:50] that u could survice
Ezreal [00:23:58] survive
Cho'Gath [00:24:20] oh well
Cho'Gath [00:24:23] no ward
Cho'Gath [00:24:29] thats how you die
Katarina [All] [00:25:08] WOW
Katarina [All] [00:25:10] WTH
Ezreal [00:25:48] simply .
Ezreal [00:25:54] they are just better than us
Cho'Gath [00:25:59] nah
Cho'Gath [00:26:10] our mid was a ******
Cho'Gath [00:26:13] counter herself
Evelynn [00:26:17] ofc it's my fault
Evelynn [00:26:27] don't think about the nasus with no kills
Nasus [00:26:39] tha is easily explainable thank you eve
Nasus [00:26:48] you see you couldn't even ward, fed early, and cho camped your lane
Jarvan IV [All] [00:27:42] LOL
Ezreal [00:27:53] wow
Cho'Gath [All] [00:27:57] that cd was fast
Ezreal [00:27:58] u guys still want to play ?
Ezreal [00:28:00] hohoho
Cho'Gath [00:28:04] they win
Cho'Gath [00:28:10] let them get nazus
Ezreal [00:28:19] dont b kid .
Jarvan IV [All] [00:28:32] LOL
Evelynn [00:28:33] **** it
Evelynn [00:28:34] XD
Garen [All] [00:28:37] spin
Soraka [All] [00:28:52] gg
Evelynn [All] [00:28:55] gg wp all
Soraka [All] [00:28:57] raka op (? XD
Katarina [All] [00:29:04] NO
Cho'Gath [All] [00:29:06] haha
Jarvan IV [All] [00:29:06] gg wp
Katarina [All] [00:29:06] DIE

A couple of interesting facts to be had here. I didn't carry by far this game and it was a loss, as my 8 deaths were 2nd on team for fewest. Granted, I called Eve an ******* (gasp!) after they completely went off on me due to their dying 12 seconds after I called an mia. As far as I can see - nothing else warranted any kind of report. The absolute head-scratcher here is that I was reported by ONE person on the ENEMY team, with absolutely no evidence from the transcript AND no explanation in their report as to why they were reporting me. The best that I can come up with is that I dared to say "nice try" in /all chat due to a failed gank by the enemy team and in all caps later "HOW MUCH HELP DO YOU NEED CONSTANTLY" to the laning Garen as their mid and jungle kept constantly ganking to save the guy. There were no other /all comments and someone please help me fathom as to why either of the two quoted references above would warrant a report. The fact is, this case was utilized falsely in my report and I am completely undeserving of a punishment from it. Basically, if you can upset the person you're laning against by daring to keep them in check, they can simply report you afterward without explanation or evidence and it can be used against you in the Tribunal.

GREAT SYSTEM RIOT. I applaud you for trying to police the community, but please, get a clue in terms of a legit system. The current provides such limited data when plenty more should be required in any judgement and allows the possibility for such a bogus report to be used against you like I just presented above.

You may have lost a loyal multi-year customer that has paid you quite well along the way and been repaid in kind to worry about perma bans due to bogus reports being tossed into a couple of "legit reports" that should be handled far differently (more data as to player history, report/positive ratios, etc) and not by random, potentially vindictive people that click thru cases for their IP rewards.


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Goth Skunk

Senior Member

01-13-2013

Wall of text.

Didn't read.

No reform card posted.

Downvoted.


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TacomaTerror

Member

01-13-2013

Riot doesn't care about you, they care about the credit card in your pocket sadly enough.


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Jaysama

Member

01-13-2013

The problem is you're too focused on what's happening in the game. The only reason to bring up all of the irrelevant circumstantial facts is because you're assuming what you did was justified.

The bottom line is you're suppose to play this game, have fun, and work with your team mates.

The chat box is for communicating, not arguing, not chatting about how your day went, or your opinion on anything other than the game. If you want to talk to someone go to a chat room or talk to a friend.

If someone is going to be rude and start a ridiculous arguement, or if someone is going to be really bad and ruin the game for everyone, or both...then there's nothing you can do about it yourself. You're not going to ever fix the internet by arguing with someone. You just have to move on and accept that you didn't have a good game, and hopefully the next one will be better.

Once you develop self control then you never have to let anything like that bother you again, you just have to bite your lip and move on. Even if you were in the right, it's still annoying having to see your name countless times in the chat box back and forth'ing with someone as a team mate. This game has so much involved, and in most cases if you're typing it means you're not playing.

Don't feed the trolls, live life in peace, and it's just a game. Live by those rules and this game will be more fun for you.


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GØÐWIÑ

Junior Member

01-13-2013

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Wall of text.

Didn't read.

No reform card posted.

Downvoted.
Sorry, bud. Admittedly, I'm not an expert in this area and didn't realize there was a standard format to be utilized. I don't frequent the forums unless the game is down and barely recalled there being an area for things like this.


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GØÐWIÑ

Junior Member

01-13-2013

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The problem is you're too focused on what's happening in the game. The only reason to bring up all of the irrelevant circumstantial facts is because you're assuming what you did was justified.
I understand what you are saying, but you're leading me to believe that you didn't actually read the wall of text I presented. I am not calling for Riot to unban me, that every report ever against me is unjustified, etc. What I am trying to illustrate is how flawed the current system is. If it were not for bogus reports littering in arguably justified reports, then I wouldn't have been put in the Tribunal to begin with and that is just wrong. If the system had anymore thought behind it than its current implementation, then far more data would be included that could help voters be more educated in their decision. The 2nd example I quoted is perfect for my case that completely false reports are allowed to exist and damn a person. There is no evidence at all why a member of the enemy team would feel prompted to report me, nor was an explanation even given by them.

Anyway, you can lawyer me all day on what I should do to prevent this from happening and I get that, you're right. However, it changes NOTHING with the current Tribunal flaws being as pathetic as they are.


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Shelzin

Senior Member

01-13-2013

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Sorry, bud. Admittedly, I'm not an expert in this area and didn't realize there was a standard format to be utilized. I don't frequent the forums unless the game is down and barely recalled there being an area for things like this.
Just post the URL link to the reform card that was in the email.

Most of us don't trust the person reported anymore than the person who did the reporting. The real deal reform card found on the internet doesn't lie. It's too late for me to think at the moment but I'll revisit tomorrow.


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Jaysama

Member

01-13-2013

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I understand what you are saying, but you're leading me to believe that you didn't actually read the wall of text I presented. I am not calling for Riot to unban me, that every report ever against me is unjustified, etc. What I am trying to illustrate is how flawed the current system is. If it were not for bogus reports littering in arguably justified reports, then I wouldn't have been put in the Tribunal to begin with and that is just wrong. If the system had anymore thought behind it than its current implementation, then far more data would be included that could help voters be more educated in their decision. The 2nd example I quoted is perfect for my case that completely false reports are allowed to exist and damn a person. There is no evidence at all why a member of the enemy team would feel prompted to report me, nor was an explanation even given by them.

Anyway, you can lawyer me all day on what I should do to prevent this from happening and I get that, you're right. However, it changes NOTHING with the current Tribunal flaws being as pathetic as they are.
I disagree, I've seen more cases than I can count and they all have the same thing in common : the player in question lost their temper and said unneccesary things. It really is that simple, you're on a game on the internet, calling someone a bad word does absolutely nothing helpful.

Regardless of the false reports, you still admit that you're in the wrong for engaging in a hopeless internet arguement when you could have been playing a video game instead.

No offence, but people that come here complaining about these things seem to think they are unique, but like I already said, the reports are always justified.


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GØÐWIÑ

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01-13-2013

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I disagree, I've seen more cases than I can count and they all have the same thing in common : the player in question lost their temper and said unneccesary things. It really is that simple, you're on a game on the internet, calling someone a bad word does absolutely nothing helpful.
Listen to me. In the first case presented, the only bad wordy-derdy things I called anyone was troll in regards to what is undeniably a troll and saying raging feeders. Do you truly think either of those warrants punishment? The Tribunal does not have to consist of **** lawyering just because someone went negative and not over the top. People should be encouraged to use their brains in seeing what motivated what and by/from whom. No one else on my team or the enemy team reported me, but the obviously trolling, potentially intentional game-throwing Irelia was the sole person that did. In the explanation given, their reasoning was filled with fallacies that is proven by the transcript of the report, if any of those judging it cared to actually read.

In the second report, I again only received one vote from some mysterious member of the enemy team that had no evidence in the logs or explanation from them as to why.

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Regardless of the false reports, you still admit that you're in the wrong for engaging in a hopeless internet arguement when you could have been playing a video game instead.
I am not meaning offense when I say this, but you're one of the self-righteous ones I can see. I can type pretty damn fast. As evidenced by the results of my play and dominating that ranked game WHILE working on getting my team to work together, I obviously was playing the video game and not merely arguing.

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No offence, but people that come here complaining about these things seem to think they are unique, but like I already said, the reports are always justified.
No, I do not think I am unique in my Tribunal case. I do know that I went a year and a half without anything like this and that updates were made to the Tribunal and now I am suddenly being hit with three visits in a few month span. I realize full well that many, many others like me are more than likely being similarly screwed and I am begging for Riot to put some serious time into their system they use to police their players. I swear to God, if my main account gets permabanned over cases like what I've had thus far, I will never pay another dime to Riot in anything or support them by being a player of the game I love so dearly.

It is irresponsible of Riot to force such actions with a flawed system and a host of player-judges that hurry through their cases per day limit with limited and incomplete in ways data so they can get their bribe out of the way.


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Jaysama

Member

01-13-2013

Okay I'm not going to get into this kind of arguement. I'll agree to continue talking to you if you link me a case you think was unjustified and I agree, but until then : tribunal is working as intended and I love it.


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