@Riot: Every thief you've made has ditched that role for something else

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Youso1337

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01-09-2013

So far, we have Janna, Twisted Fate, Graves, Talon, and Vi who have been former thieves, but left behind the stealing profession to embrace something else. Something I gotta ask is: Why there hasn't been a Champion made who has remained a thief while also being a League Champion?

If League were to have a kind of young, plucky kid who is a thief, I can see this as being endearing.
Here's my iteration:

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Ritz, the Swift Thief
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Background (rough draft)
A rising star of Valoranís criminal world, the young thief named Ritz has left a trail of split purses and exhausted guards in her wake, gifted with wit, skill, and a magical scarf. A hero of the downtrodden, and enemy of the rich and powerful, Ritzís escapades have earned her a reputation in only a few short years as one of Valoranís most infamous, yet beloved rogues.

Born an orphan on the streets of Zaun, Ritz has always lived a life of crime. Simply surviving on the streets required her to steal from merchants and shopkeepers, yet she clearly had a knack for it, slipping away unnoticed where other unfortunate pickpockets would meet untimely ends. It wasnít until she was ten that she got in over her head, when a Noxian general paid a visit to Zaun. Sneaking into the generalís tent, she attempted to make away with an elegant sash, but was discovered and captured by the generalís guards. While in captivity, she witnessed scores of other children, all orphans, imprisoned by the generalís subordinates, working in collaboration with the Zaunite authorities. They were to be sent to Noxus to be trained and slaughtered in the gladiatorial arenas for the entertainment of the masses.

Tricking one of the guards, Ritz staged a mass escape for the prisoners, catching the general and his men completely by surprise. Confronted by the general, Ritz discovered that the sash she had stolen, which the guards had never taken from her, gifted her with superhuman speed. With this newfound power, she quickly defeated the general, leaving him humiliated and tied to a flagpole. Hailed as a hero by those she had saved, and wanted dead by both Noxus and Zaun, Ritz fled the city amidst a crowd of cheers. She now wanders Valoran, seeking out those in power who would trample upon the poor, and delivering to them her own brand of justice through burglary.

Thereís always a way to steal something. Some things just arenít right. Ė Ritz
Please say you're gonna put in a thief who STAYS a thief at some point, Riot.


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Helmight

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01-09-2013

The problem with having a thief who's also a League champion is that thieves, generally speaking, aren't into fighting. Their goal in life is to steal what they can and get out, without being seen if possible. A true thief, therefore, would have no desire to join an institution where they'd be FORCED to fight near-legendary beings to the death. And it's not like there's anything for them to steal by participating in the League, so they have literally no reason for joining. The thieves we've seen that have become champions all have been motivated by an external factor - the "something else" that you've mentioned. If, for example, Vi had never fallen out with her criminal buddies, she never would have become a champion because she'd still be stealing things on the streets. If Twisted Fate had never received magical powers, he'd still be running cons with Graves. It's unreasonable to expect that a thief who's still a thief would enjoy battling with things like Cho'Gath and Kog'Maw on a daily basis.


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Youso1337

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01-10-2013

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The problem with having a thief who's also a League champion is that thieves, generally speaking, aren't into fighting. Their goal in life is to steal what they can and get out, without being seen if possible. A true thief, therefore, would have no desire to join an institution where they'd be FORCED to fight near-legendary beings to the death. And it's not like there's anything for them to steal by participating in the League, so they have literally no reason for joining. The thieves we've seen that have become champions all have been motivated by an external factor - the "something else" that you've mentioned. If, for example, Vi had never fallen out with her criminal buddies, she never would have become a champion because she'd still be stealing things on the streets. If Twisted Fate had never received magical powers, he'd still be running cons with Graves. It's unreasonable to expect that a thief who's still a thief would enjoy battling with things like Cho'Gath and Kog'Maw on a daily basis.
I actually have a League Judgment that would cover Ritz's reason for joining the League. Long-story-short, she gets blackmailed into fighting in the League.
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LEAGUE JUDGEMENT
Candidate: Ritz
Date: CLASSIFIED


Observation

A small figure in a purple summoner’s robe walks purposefully down the hallowed halls of the Institute of War. With the hood covering their face, it is impossible to tell if the figure is male or female. A group of summoners pass the small figure, and the figure greets them with a simple nod. None of the summoners suspect that the small figure is anything but what it appears to be. The figure continues onwards up a flight of stairs.

Left, left, right, left...no, wait.

The figure pauses at the junction as it reaches a hand inside the robe and retrieves a crumpled sheet of paper. A young girl’s face is briefly revealed as the figure leans forward to peer at the hand-drawn lines that represent the hallways of the Institute of War. Ritz looks up and around to get her bearings, then tucks the map away.

Ritz makes a right, navigating the hallways with precision. Minutes later, she stops in front of an ornate door. She doesn’t need to check to make sure she’s got the right door. Ritz’s eyes move up the door until they reach a nameplate that reads: “High Councilor Vessaria Kolminye”. The girl permits herself a small grin of satisfaction as she picks the lock and slips inside.

Unfelt by the young thief, a magical pulse ripples through the air. Only one person appears to notice it: an older yet still beautiful woman in a purple summoner’s robe. Instantly, she glances upwards, in the direction of the pulse. After a beat, she smiles, an altogether more sinister smile than that of the girl.

Persuasion

As the door swung shut behind her, Ritz gazed around the massive office of the High Councilor. Bookshelves lined the walls, each packed with what look to be books on magic. A large desk occupied one side of the room, stacked high with papers. A larger window dominated the opposite wall, letting in the light from the setting sun.

As she peeled off the summoner’s robe, Ritz let out a low groan.

"This is gonna take a while."

Carelessly dropping the robe at her feet, the girl set to work, moving to the desk to begin the search. A quick check is enough to tell the thief that what she’s looking for isn't on top of the desk. Ritz opened the desk drawers one by one, hoping to find her prize, but without any luck.

Her lips tightening in frustration, the young thief looked around the room, searching for another hiding place. As she turned back and forth, Ritz’s arm caught one of the stacks of paper on the desk, knocking it over and sending papers swirling around the room.

“Ah...”

Ritz leaned over to pick up the fallen papers, but stopped as she caught a glimpse of metal on the desk. Her earlier grin began to resurface as she brushed away the remaining papers to reveal a small safe built into the desk. Ritz shrugged, brought out a candy bar and a pocket knife, and set to work.

The candy bar was only half-finished by the time the safe swung open. To Ritz's curiosity, the safe wasn't protected by any magical seal or booby-trap, although she would have been prepared for either. Inside the safe’s plush interior was a single item: an unmarked box smaller than Ritz’s palm. Reaching out a hand, Ritz flipped the box open, and grinned.

"Sweet...!"

The object of her search, a ring carved from a single purple gem, sat inside. Ritz already had a buyer, a mage from Demacia, who was offering a sizable reward for the ring. He had even been so generous as to provide the route to the High Councilor's office. The money from the reward would be enough to feed an entire village for over a year, and there was one on the eastern border of Demacia she had in mind.

Ritz plucked the ring from the box and slipped it into the pouch at her belt, exchanging it with a small wooden effigy of herself with its tongue stuck out - the gesture was clearly meant to be insulting.

But at the very moment that she took one step from the desk, a voice sounded from the now-open door.

“And what do you think you’re doing?”

Instinctively, Ritz snapped her gaze to the door to find High Councilor Vessaria Kolminye glaring at her. Had the High Councilor entered minutes earlier, Ritz might have been intimidated.

“See ya!”

With a jaunty wave, the Swift Thief dashed for the window with unnatural speed, an unseen wind propelling her like an arrow.

“I think not.” The High Councilor’s voice was as cold as the mountains of Freljord. The summoner raised her hand and with a burst of energy, Ritz yelped as she was sent flying back towards the desk. Just before Ritz would crash into the desk, the force propelling her stopped, and the girl was dumped unceremoniously to the ground.

Ritz looked up at the High Councilor and, in a fit of pique, hurled the half-eaten candy bar at the summoner. Instinctively, High Councilor Kolminye’s hand rose to block the perceived attack, and Ritz used that opportunity to make another dash for the window and escape. The speed at which she ran now rivaled that of a bolt of lightning.

Mere inches away from the window, the High Councilor’s magic caught her again, this time suspending her in the air. The High Councilor swept her hand down, slamming Ritz into the ground and sending the stolen ring sliding from her still-open pouch.

Vessaria picked up the ring as she said, “So you’re the so-called Swift Thief. Ritz, was it?” The High Councilor twirled the ring in her fingers almost absentmindedly. “Now what shall I do with you...?”

Ritz made another attempt to get up, but the High Councilor’s magic prevented her from making a single move. The young thief scowled; she had always disliked mages, particularly summoners, and this one was making her look like a fool.

Abruptly, the High Councilor appeared to make a decision, and Ritz was dragged up to dangle at the High Councilor’s eye level. Ritz quickly swung a fist at Vessaria, trying to do anything to disrupt the sorceress' concentration, but she was out of reach. Vessaria acted as though Ritz had done nothing at all.

As Ritz swung around, trying to land even a glancing blow upon Vessaria's nose, the High Councilor said, “A vagabond as adored by the public as you would be ill-suited to a prison cell, would you agree? Of course, you needn't be sent to our dungeons if you're willing to accept an... alternative."

Ceasing her futile struggling, Ritz said, "You mind putting that in words, lady?"

"Very well. I am sure you are familiar with what we do here, child. And the League of Legends is always in need of new Champions to fight. I would have you join them as a Champion yourself."

"Huh?!"

The proposal wasn't at all what Ritz had expected. And even though she was no slouch with a knife, going up against some of Runeterra's most powerful Champions wasn't an appealing idea to her.

Seeing her hesitance, Vessaria added, "Of course, if you'd prefer a cell, I can arrange that."

Things were a lot simpler now. Prison was never an option for Ritz. Too many were depending on her to come back.

"Tch, fine lady. I'll fight a few matches."

High Councilor Kolminye smiled, though the smile didn’t reach her eyes. “Oh, I think you'll be in for more than a few, Swift Thief." Turning away from Ritz, Vessaria added, "But I am not so unreasonable as to forever keep you. I'll make you another deal: if you can ever manage to take this ring from me, you can go free. How does that sound?”

"Heh, deal! I'll be out in a week, tops!"

"We shall see."

With a wave of the High Councilor's hand, Ritz rose up shortly, and then was launched back with a yelp, flying out the door. As she fell to the floor and skidded across the tiles, Ritz quickly bolted upright to watch as the doors to Vessaria's office began to close.

A mere second before they did, a small object flew out at Ritz. The half-eaten bar of candy struck the thief's forehead, sending her back to the floor. She lay in a daze as the doors clicked shut.

With no one to observe her, High Councilor Vessaria Kolminye smirked at the ring in her hand.

“We shall see, Ritz,” the High Councilor murmured.

Dropping the ring, she watched as the spell holding the ring together faded, and the shaped glass crumbled to dust before it hit the floor.

Vessaria chuckled briefly. Everything had gone perfectly.
I think that'd cover the reasoning quite nicely.


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Sadistic Lulu

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01-11-2013

and the pics are ripped off from fire emblem: sword of seals. but we can work on that, right?


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basketofseals

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01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Helmight View Post
The problem with having a thief who's also a League champion is that thieves, generally speaking, aren't into fighting. Their goal in life is to steal what they can and get out, without being seen if possible. A true thief, therefore, would have no desire to join an institution where they'd be FORCED to fight near-legendary beings to the death. And it's not like there's anything for them to steal by participating in the League, so they have literally no reason for joining. The thieves we've seen that have become champions all have been motivated by an external factor - the "something else" that you've mentioned. If, for example, Vi had never fallen out with her criminal buddies, she never would have become a champion because she'd still be stealing things on the streets. If Twisted Fate had never received magical powers, he'd still be running cons with Graves. It's unreasonable to expect that a thief who's still a thief would enjoy battling with things like Cho'Gath and Kog'Maw on a daily basis.
Something to consider is all the champions who've recently join that also not only lack a reason to join the league, but have an active reason not to. Assuming Riot isn't just completely ignoring that fact(which may be possible), it's possible the League has taken entering champions by force.


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Helmight

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01-12-2013

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Something to consider is all the champions who've recently join that also not only lack a reason to join the league, but have an active reason not to. Assuming Riot isn't just completely ignoring that fact(which may be possible), it's possible the League has taken entering champions by force.
The problem I have with that theory is that I can't see the Institute of War actively seeking participants in the League. When it was first formed, they were recruited like mad and actively seeking out champions - even if it meant pulling them from another dimension. That died off a long time ago though and to be honest, what would they gain from forcing champions to fight for them?

I don't think there are any champions in the League currently with a LACK of a reason to join the League. Elise is probably the closest I've seen to having zero reason to join, but other than her, every other champion has a fairly convincing reason either given or capable of being extrapolated from their lore.


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basketofseals

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The problem I have with that theory is that I can't see the Institute of War actively seeking participants in the League. When it was first formed, they were recruited like mad and actively seeking out champions - even if it meant pulling them from another dimension. That died off a long time ago though and to be honest, what would they gain from forcing champions to fight for them?

I don't think there are any champions in the League currently with a LACK of a reason to join the League. Elise is probably the closest I've seen to having zero reason to join, but other than her, every other champion has a fairly convincing reason either given or capable of being extrapolated from their lore.
Elise, Syndra, Zyra, and Nami all have active reasons AGAINST joining the league. The league quite clearly has SOMETHING to gain from recruiting pretty much anyone. Fiora and Draven are two champions with absolutely no political standing but are still admitted into the league.

The League hasn't exactly shown in the most positive light either. Brand hints pretty big at something big happening behind the scenes, and Vayne's judgement shows that the League isn't exactly backed by strong moral decisions either.

This is probably just conspiracy theory so feel free to ignore this part, but it's also possible the lack of lore is part of lore: JoJ shut down to a crappy conspiracy plot, no judgments, and background info that not only tells us little but is contradictory. Perhaps they're trying to make champions unsympathetic in case they need to be silenced?


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Youso1337

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01-12-2013

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Elise, Syndra, Zyra, and Nami all have active reasons AGAINST joining the league. The league quite clearly has SOMETHING to gain from recruiting pretty much anyone. Fiora and Draven are two champions with absolutely no political standing but are still admitted into the league.

The League hasn't exactly shown in the most positive light either. Brand hints pretty big at something big happening behind the scenes, and Vayne's judgement shows that the League isn't exactly backed by strong moral decisions either.

This is probably just conspiracy theory so feel free to ignore this part, but it's also possible the lack of lore is part of lore: JoJ shut down to a crappy conspiracy plot, no judgments, and background info that not only tells us little but is contradictory. Perhaps they're trying to make champions unsympathetic in case they need to be silenced?
Pretty creepy stuff when you think about it.


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Youso1337

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01-12-2013

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and the pics are ripped off from fire emblem: sword of seals. but we can work on that, right?
Sadly, I can't draw.

But Cath's design, IMO, fits best for Ritz.


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Helmight

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01-12-2013

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Elise, Syndra, Zyra, and Nami all have active reasons AGAINST joining the league. The league quite clearly has SOMETHING to gain from recruiting pretty much anyone. Fiora and Draven are two champions with absolutely no political standing but are still admitted into the league.

The League hasn't exactly shown in the most positive light either. Brand hints pretty big at something big happening behind the scenes, and Vayne's judgement shows that the League isn't exactly backed by strong moral decisions either.

This is probably just conspiracy theory so feel free to ignore this part, but it's also possible the lack of lore is part of lore: JoJ shut down to a crappy conspiracy plot, no judgments, and background info that not only tells us little but is contradictory. Perhaps they're trying to make champions unsympathetic in case they need to be silenced?
See, I think that out of the first four champions you listed, I think only one of them has an active reason to NOT join - Elise. Nami clearly joined to use her political power as a champion to expedite her search for the moonstone. It's not like she could very well search all of Valoran for one, so it makes sense to gain standing at the most public forum in the world. Syndra I feel would have joined the League to further expand her powers - what better training field is there? It's not like the Ionian government is going to spirit her away in the middle of a match. I can't see any specific reason for Zyra to join, but it's not like there's any reason for her NOT to join either.

Political standing has little to do with admission to the League, so I'm not sure why Draven and Fiora were brought up. They're both there for their own reasons, which seems to be a valid reason for champions to join up. We have quite a few champs who're only participating for personal gain. I can't see that the League has anything to gain by forcibly recruiting champions either - perhaps there is something that I haven't thought of, but in that situation why would they seek out somewhat dangerous beings like Syndra and Elise? That line of logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense, at least to me.

Perhaps there is some conspiracy going on in the League - the last JoJ pretty much came out and said that - but I don't think it has anything to do with the recent champions and their joining.


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