Runic bulwark too op, 3 person got it on enemy team gg

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DarkenDragon

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01-12-2013

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Originally Posted by H0p0nP0p View Post
U mean to tell me... Owner gets his aura buff AND 1 ally's aura buff?!?!? =O from now on, i will forever build bulwark also...

Bulwark is one of the strongest defensive item out there. Provides armor, resist, health, and health regen! =O imo if u can survive without dying, it's better than a ga... I always get it after ga is on cd and i got enuf gold =P
..... from now on? its been like that since the game was in beta, from the very start >.>


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KesslerCOIL

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01-15-2013

quick answer.
buy armor pen or magic pen, i hear they're plentiful this season...


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Tricit

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01-15-2013

This is all so incredibly wrong. In S2, Auras always applied to the owner of the aura as well. This has been true for the longest time. For example, my favorite early game aura item that makes this easily testable and can in fact tell you you're wrong by pure itemization logic.

Mana Manipulator has always been built from 2 fearie charms. In Season 2, you'd get 6 mana/5 for yourself only with just the fearie charms. If you upgrade that to Mana manipulator, you instead get a 7 mana/5 aura. The simple logic of items is that an item is never worse than its devolved parts. . . hence Mana Manipulator's aura also applies to its owner. It uses the same aura mechanics as every other aura item (and this has always been the case).

Mana Manipulator isn't special or different. If you took one in season 3, you and your adc in bot lane both got extra mana regeneration. This has also always applies to aegis and it's recent upgrade. In season 3, you will also see Mana Manipulator acting exactly the same (as well as aegis and runic).

You may have forgotten the numbers of your own resistance and HP and thus concluded that you likely are not benefitting from your own aura, but indeed, you are. It is easily calculated by starting a game with Mana Manipulator.

In Short, having your own Runic Bulwark when someone else has one can only be worth its cost if:

1: You aren't the ADCarry (APs and ADcasters can take it; it's cool. Just have a deathcap and another nice complimentary AP(AD for ADcast) items, it's all you really need)
2: You already have the other 2 slightly better mix tank items (Warmogs, Guardian Angel)
3: They actually have a good team composition that isn't heavily biased and favoring their ADC or APC (ie: an out of control leblanc or vayne that isnt giving kills to anyone else).


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DarkenDragon

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01-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Tricit View Post
This is all so incredibly wrong. In S2, Auras always applied to the owner of the aura as well. This has been true for the longest time. For example, my favorite early game aura item that makes this easily testable and can in fact tell you you're wrong by pure itemization logic.

Mana Manipulator has always been built from 2 fearie charms. In Season 2, you'd get 6 mana/5 for yourself only with just the fearie charms. If you upgrade that to Mana manipulator, you instead get a 7 mana/5 aura. The simple logic of items is that an item is never worse than its devolved parts. . . hence Mana Manipulator's aura also applies to its owner. It uses the same aura mechanics as every other aura item (and this has always been the case).

Mana Manipulator isn't special or different. If you took one in season 3, you and your adc in bot lane both got extra mana regeneration. This has also always applies to aegis and it's recent upgrade. In season 3, you will also see Mana Manipulator acting exactly the same (as well as aegis and runic).

You may have forgotten the numbers of your own resistance and HP and thus concluded that you likely are not benefitting from your own aura, but indeed, you are. It is easily calculated by starting a game with Mana Manipulator.

In Short, having your own Runic Bulwark when someone else has one can only be worth its cost if:

1: You aren't the ADCarry (APs and ADcasters can take it; it's cool. Just have a deathcap and another nice complimentary AP(AD for ADcast) items, it's all you really need)
2: You already have the other 2 slightly better mix tank items (Warmogs, Guardian Angel)
3: They actually have a good team composition that isn't heavily biased and favoring their ADC or APC (ie: an out of control leblanc or vayne that isnt giving kills to anyone else).
I dont think your actually reading what was posted,

yes you get a buff from your own item, but it isnt an aura. its a self buff. the aura is only applied to the rest of the group. aura items have 2 buffs on them, 1 for yourself, and 1 that is an aura. this is because of the way its coded, there are auras that are for allies, and auras for enemies (e.g. abyssal scepter) these apply to everyone except the owner, this was due to unit classification cuz yourself was not an ally.

so you got your own buff while everyone gets a different buff that applied the exact same stats.

you can actually see this in your buff section where if you stand next to an ally who has the same aura item as yourself. one of the buffs will have the word aura in it, while the other doesnt.


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masterdragon481

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01-15-2013

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I dont think your actually reading what was posted,

yes you get a buff from your own item, but it isnt an aura. its a self buff. the aura is only applied to the rest of the group. aura items have 2 buffs on them, 1 for yourself, and 1 that is an aura. this is because of the way its coded, there are auras that are for allies, and auras for enemies (e.g. abyssal scepter) these apply to everyone except the owner, this was due to unit classification cuz yourself was not an ally.

so you got your own buff while everyone gets a different buff that applied the exact same stats.

you can actually see this in your buff section where if you stand next to an ally who has the same aura item as yourself. one of the buffs will have the word aura in it, while the other doesnt.
Sorry, but I don't think this is correct either. Literally taking what you have said here a champ that buys an aura item does NOT benefit from the aura. With that in mind, lets look at bulwark. 400 health, 20 armor 30 mres Aura: 10 armor 30 mres 10 hp regen. Assuming what you have said to be true, the user of bulwark gets the health, the 20 armor and the 30 mres. The other four members of his team, provided they are within the range of the aura, get the 10 armor, 30 mres, and 10 hp regen. But there is a problem with this. Again by your logic, the Aegis gives the user 20 mres. A null magic mantle is used when making bulwark, raising your mres to 40. So, by your logic, when the bulward is completed you lost 10 mres?

No. definitely not. Something is wrong here.

Aura items apply the aura to ALL MEMBERS OF THE TEAM. So, the champion with the bulwark gets both stats, aka 400 health, 20+10 = 30 armor, 30 +30 = 60 mres, and the 10 hp regen. look at that, no stat decreases this time. The rest of the champions team just gets the aura listing, the 10 armor 30 mres 10 hp regen. Now, because stacking auras does not work, building another bulwark will ONLY increase the stats on the champion that bought the item. The Vayne will only get 10 armor 30 mres, and 10 hp regen, even if the other four members build bulwark. Those other four members will get the 400 health, 20 armor 30 mres, but not Vayne.

So OP, im glad three people bought bulwark, when really only one was necessary. If someone else on their team (or even two) needed to get bulwark as well, then that either means they don't know how auras work or they really needed the mres. But if they needed the Mres that bad, you should have been doing fine as the adc.

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DarkenDragon

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01-15-2013

clearly your not reading correctly, all your information you need is right here http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Aura

im not saying you dont get the aura, im saying you get a different buff than what everyone else receive, which is why you get 2 copies of the aura buff cuz really your getting 2 different buffs, one is an aura buff one is a personal buff. this hasnt changed since the beginning of the game. since beta.

so lets take Runic Bulwark as an example, it'll provide the aura legion.

on yourself you will get a buff called Legion, on your allies, the buff will be called aura - Legion. if your ally has this item as well and you stand in the range of them, you'll receive both Legion and Aura- Legion

the reason for this is explained in my post above. so yes you get 2 identical buffs with 2 different names. but thats all you can get because they are unique to themselves.


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L33tT4rd

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01-15-2013

If 2 people have an aura item like Aegis/Bulwork or WotA, then you 2 compliment yourselves quite nicely but the other 3 members on your team only get 1 aura's stats.

That being said then IMO, having more than 1 on the same team can be nice. If one dies (say the squishy support) then you still have the other one.

Having 3 on the same team...well kinda pointless and just for fun and for you to make sure you always have that aura 8P

I remember reading someone saying they had 3 WotAs on their team w/Morde, Vlad, and someone else AP heavy (Kat maybe?). But this was before Hextech's nerf way back in the day. Like early season 2?....

Anyways, happy gaming!


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Raasu

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02-23-2013

Inb4 troll thread...


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Thubgar

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02-23-2013

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DUDE WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND. THE 10 PPL IN THE GAME HAVE ACESS TO THE SAME ITEMS.
So that mean, that ur team also can have 1/2/3/4/5 bulwark if u want. So plz stop calling it op, if both team get 1, its equal right?
this will never be true. please stop trying to act like it is.


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kavinh the third

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03-01-2013

u should've been saying gg 6k gold wasted.


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