An analysis of what happened to WW and why he sucks now

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Grockk

Senior Member

01-11-2013

WW is suffering from a number of issues. His passive sustain was cut dramatically across the board with his "buff" that added a trivial amount of magic damage. People only look at the change at the top end (level 18) of 18 hp/hit down to 16 hp/hit, but this is deceptive. Nearly the entire game, its far worse now for WW. Take a look at his passive healing by level:

Eternal Thirst
Level old new Change
1 6 3 -50%
2 6 3.5 -42%
3 6 4 -33%
4 6 4.5 -25%
5 6 5 -17%
6 6 5.5 -8%
7 12 6 -50%
8 12 6.5 -46%
9 12 7 -42%
10 12 8 -33%
11 12 9 -25%
12 12 10 -17%
13 18 11 -39%
14 18 12 -33%
15 18 13 -28%
16 18 14 -22%
17 18 15 -17%
18 18 16 -11%

Shortly after his passive nerf, his Q was nerfed:

Hungering Strike
Damage reduced to 8/10/12/14/16% from 8/11/14/17/20%
old new change
8 8 0%
11 10 -9%
14 12 -14%
17 14 -18%
20 16 -20%

Now in S3, attack speed was nerfed. Since his passive only scales with attack speed, he was effectively nerfed even further. GG warwick.


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Grockk

Senior Member

01-11-2013

bump


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Voidgolem

Senior Member

01-11-2013

attack speed you can buy was nerfed.

if you were buying attack speed on Warwick you were bad. (that is to say, Attack speed for attack speed's sake.)


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Xyltin

Senior Member

01-11-2013

Yeah, his sustain got nerfed but he got as much or even more dmg instead. And when did he need that sustain? only in the lane. At a time where sustain was already nerfed hard cause it was boring.
His passive is better than before, and he can still jungle without any pots.
Now to Q: Not really a hard nerf.
It is a good nerf late game, but he was OP at that time.
He still doesn't need the sustain or dmg.
His Q does actually more dmg than Jayces melee E and it got nerfed and has no sustain.

About the AS: WW has an ability that increases AS and with the AS nerf, this ability got only stronger cause it is harder to gain AS if you need it.
WW is not an AS champ. He gets Wits end for the MR and the proc not the AS (the AS is nice and he can use it, but it is not the main reason. his AS boost scales with wits end).
Now WW can also build BotRK. Yeah, a % dmg item that has LS and AD. also pretty awesome for WW ult. He also gets a slow and MS boost with it. Great to chase enemies after his ult. He can also build other stuff like Frozen Fist now.

Yeah, WW didn't got buffes as a champ, but the jungle changes and the new items are really good for him (and the next patch will bring more jungle buffs for single target junglers).

Could WW need a top lane buff? Yeah.
Does he need a jungle buff? Probably not.

My suggestion is a slight buff to his E. Some mechanic that makes it useable in the lane a bit.


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Grockk

Senior Member

01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Xyltin View Post
His Q does actually more dmg than Jayces melee E and it got nerfed and has no sustain.
Not. Warwicks does 16%, Jayces does 20% + bonus attack damage. See below

Thundering Blow: Jayce deals 8 / 11 / 14 / 17 / 20 % of targets maximum health (+1.0 per bonus attack damage) as magic damage and knocks them back a short distance.


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mtrx002

Senior Member

01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Voidgolem View Post
attack speed you can buy was nerfed.

if you were buying attack speed on Warwick you were bad. (that is to say, Attack speed for attack speed's sake.)
uh huh

nobody ever bought wits end on ww


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Voidgolem

Senior Member

01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by mtrx002 View Post
uh huh

nobody ever bought wits end on ww
Wits end totally doesn't offer other stats such as a 40-damage proc for your ult to apply.

Attack speed for attack's speed sake is junk: you've got a steroid for that.


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Alexandra Avdey

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Senior Member

01-11-2013

Have you tried him with a Masamana and a BotRK?

It's a blast. LOL.


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BiggerFish

Senior Member

01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by Xyltin View Post
Yeah, his sustain got nerfed but he got as much or even more dmg instead. And when did he need that sustain? only in the lane. At a time where sustain was already nerfed hard cause it was boring.
His passive is better than before, and he can still jungle without any pots.
Now to Q: Not really a hard nerf.
It is a good nerf late game, but he was OP at that time.
He still doesn't need the sustain or dmg.
His Q does actually more dmg than Jayces melee E and it got nerfed and has no sustain.

About the AS: WW has an ability that increases AS and with the AS nerf, this ability got only stronger cause it is harder to gain AS if you need it.
WW is not an AS champ. He gets Wits end for the MR and the proc not the AS (the AS is nice and he can use it, but it is not the main reason. his AS boost scales with wits end).
Now WW can also build BotRK. Yeah, a % dmg item that has LS and AD. also pretty awesome for WW ult. He also gets a slow and MS boost with it. Great to chase enemies after his ult. He can also build other stuff like Frozen Fist now.

Yeah, WW didn't got buffes as a champ, but the jungle changes and the new items are really good for him (and the next patch will bring more jungle buffs for single target junglers).

Could WW need a top lane buff? Yeah.
Does he need a jungle buff? Probably not.

My suggestion is a slight buff to his E. Some mechanic that makes it useable in the lane a bit.
I know you aren't serious comparing WW Q to jayce in terms of damage. Its totally not like Jayce has an AD ratio on it or other nukes or like a ranged stance right? All Jayce has is his hammer Q to do damage other than exclusively auto attacks right? RIGHT?!?


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Voidgolem

Senior Member

01-11-2013

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Originally Posted by BiggerFish View Post
I know you aren't serious comparing WW Q to jayce in terms of damage. Its totally not like Jayce has an AD ratio on it or other nukes or like a ranged stance right? All Jayce has is his hammer Q to do damage other than exclusively auto attacks right? RIGHT?!?
Jayce's Q scales on the target's maximum health and heals him?


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