My last ban was almost 5 months ago. Is one bannable game since then a 2 week ban?

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fireintheforest

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01-07-2013

My last ban was almost 5 months ago. Since then, I've had one bannable game. Is that really worth a 2 week ban? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/5969777


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Zaresin

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01-07-2013

Riot handles all time bans 3 days and on. So they decide the punishment after that point.


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Zaresin

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01-07-2013

Oh i remember judging your case....you weren't very nice. Sorry it is a two week ban but if you don't change your behavior your next one is a perm ban.


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170 Calories

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01-07-2013

lol easy ban


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PenguinKillBear

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01-07-2013

I thought all of those games are punishable


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fireintheforest

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01-07-2013

Game 1: Reported by people calling me a *****, but apparently that doesn't matter.
Game 2: Asked them why they don't bother responding to pings, but I had a somewhat negative attitude.
Game 3: The Vayne was blatantly making stuff up. She afked in lane but pinned our loss on me and reported me for feeding.
Game 4: I dont even know... "intentionally fed", yet I had most gold on team, and a pretty good score.
I assume the Syndra reported me because of this conversation:

Quote:
Syndra [00:27:26] and u were dead because you were running around without us
Syndra [00:27:32] just saying its time to group
Nidalee [00:27:34] dude im carrying you
Nidalee [00:27:36] calm the fu** down
However, he was blaming me for no reason whatsoever.
Other than that I didn't even talk most of the game.
Game 5: This one I actually sincerely have no idea. I was reported by an enemy. I assume it's because of bad score?


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fireintheforest

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01-07-2013

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Originally Posted by PenguinKillBear View Post
I thought all of those games are punishable
Really? All of them? Even if you argue that ANY offensive language WHATSOEVER, even one line is punishable, there is no way you can think games three and five are punishable, unless you think that "feeding" is punishable when it's not intentional.


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Zaresin

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01-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Lyte View Post
Lately, I've been receiving a lot of e-mails about the same questions and complaints about the Tribunal. I'm working with WookieCookie, RiotSeb and statuskwoh to add these to the Tribunal FAQs but we would love to discuss them here first.

1) What's the point of having a language filter if I can get banned for 'adult' language?
a) We aren't out to punish players who use adult language; in fact, very few players are ever banned for saying stuff like "f***, I missed that skill shot" or "damn, f***ing close game!" However, the language filter is not an excuse to verbally abuse someone in the game. When you verbally abuse or harass someone by calling them "f***ing ******" or "n*gger noob", that's when you've crossed the line and will be punished by the Tribunal. I've said this before and I'll say it again, we aren't trying to clean online games of adult language; we're trying to reform or get rid of jerks who like to verbally abuse and harass other players.

2) I only have 1 bad game in my Tribunal Reform Card, why am I banned???
a) The Tribunal verdict is not based on a 'majority' rule; there is also no requirement that all games have to be toxic for it to warrant a suspension. Depending on the case, sometimes 1 game is all that is needed to show that the player deserves a suspension. To Tribunal reviewers, decisions like these are up to you. When you view a Tribunal case, the questions you should ask yourselves are, "Is this player's behavior appropriate in League of Legends?" and "Would I want to play with this player?"

3) This player should have been banned, but he was pardoned. The Tribunal is broken!
a) The Tribunal was inspired by 'crowdsourcing' research. When I was still a student, I worked with labs that developed games such as "Foldit" that took advantage of crowdsourcing to find solutions to extremely tricky tasks--when you read this research you truly appreciate how accurate crowdsourcing systems can be. In fact, the Tribunal is far more accurate than traditional Player Support.

However, the Tribunal isn't perfect. The design is based on statistical probability and random sampling and every system like this has outliers. This means that sometimes, a player has an egregious Tribunal case but is still pardoned because he happened to get a lenient set of voters; however, if the player is truly toxic, he actually is re-sent back to the Tribunal in a handful of games and is usually accurately punished in his second visit to the Tribunal.

Because the Tribunal is designed to identify frequency and consistency of toxic behavior, this is why it doesn't take into account the severity of the offense. If a player is extremely toxic he will quickly get banned multiple times by the Tribunal until he is permabanned; in fact, extremely toxic players end up permabanned significantly faster than players who are 'less severe.' In the future, we may want to brainstorm ways to improve on the Tribunal so that it does take into account severity and adjusts punishments accordingly... but we're not there yet.

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned???
a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

5) Low skill players should be banned from the game! The Tribunal should only ban Leavers/AFK and intentional feeders, those are the only types of players that really ruin games!
a) No. Just no. Jerks ruin games. League of Legends is for everyone whether they are 500 Elo or 2500 Elo. It's not a game for jerks.

Refer to section 1, 4, and 5


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PenguinKillBear

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01-07-2013

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Originally Posted by fireintheforest View Post
Really? All of them? Even if you argue that ANY offensive language WHATSOEVER, even one line is punishable, there is no way you can think games three and five are punishable, unless you think that "feeding" is punishable when it's not intentional.
from game 3

Janna [00:08:19] why the fucj
Janna [00:08:22] would you dive him
Vayne [00:08:27] thought i had fb
Janna [00:08:34] because youre dumb?

not needed. seriously. this was a bit milder than the other games but this isnt a questionable ban by any means.


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fireintheforest

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01-07-2013

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Originally Posted by Zaresin View Post
Refer to section 1, 4, and 5
Did you even read my case?

Section 1: Never called anyone a "****ing noob", all I said was "calm the **** down", which as Lyte said is not bannable.

Section 4: I didn't say I shouldn't be banned because there are people worse than me, I said there are people provoking me and you are seriously twisted if you think I should lose access to a game I paid for because I respond. Also that was only game 1 and ONE GAME IN FIVE MONTHS isn't worth a ban.

Section 5: When did I say low skill people should be banned? In fact, the opposite, because in games 3 & 5 I assume I was the "feeder"/low skilled person and I shouldn't be punished for having a bad score, especially when my lane partner goes afk on me.


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