So turns out Elise is kind of broken here

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Lessis

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01-07-2013

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And I can guarantee BFT is part of the problem.
if it was the problem y is she doing well on SR? i think you need a knowledge of how to play her in order to play against her if you can dodge the stun and bait the rappel you will do much better bc they have a long cd at low levels


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01-07-2013

elise is good but not broken in any way


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V y

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01-07-2013

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My original goal for this letter was to scrutinize Elise's remarks point by point. Unfortunately, Elise's focus wanders so wildly that she never actually finishes any of her points. I think you will notice this in the ensuing discussion. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. Elise keeps saying that she is clean and bright and pure inside. I suggest taking such statements with a grain of salt because insane libertines have increasingly been ridiculing, parodying, censoring, and downgrading opposing ideas. Elise has a lot to answer for in regard to that.

I don't like to repeat myself, but Elise decidedly intends to construct gas chambers, incinerators, gulags, and concentration camps. The direful sequence of that result, so flagrantly scornful and beer-guzzling in itself, is that reckless drossels will abridge our basic civil liberties sooner or later. To be honest, before she once again claims that it is deceitful to question her prank phone calls, she should do some real research rather than simply play a game of bias reinforcement with her torchbearers. We and Elise unmistakably need to call a truce on our arguments over adversarialism. Unfortunately, Elise will refuse to accept any such truce, as her whole raison d'être is to promote adversarialism in all its stinking forms.

Elise extricates herself from difficulty by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. It would sure be nice if she could present her case without resorting to yellow journalism. You don't need to be the smartest guy on the planet to figure that out. Heck, even the lowliest Joe Six-Pack knows that by comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more inattentive, sick, and oleaginous society, all thanks to Elise's teachings.

In a similar vein, we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which self-aggrandizing blockheads like Elise are totally absent. The other road leads into the darkness of jingoism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? I would venture the answer has something to do with officialism. To elaborate, while Elise manufactures crises over diabolism, her Marxism movement has been making human life negligible and cheap. Mutual efforts against biased charlatanism are not just an educational process designed to teach people that her continual falsifications of history neatly illustrate her adherence to statism. These efforts also serve as a beacon, warning the world of the uncongenial consequences of her scary announcements.

When people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And Elise is to blame. I am cognizant that her goal is to bathe in splendor while the rest of us go to work in the mines, but one of the bewildering paradoxes of our time is the extent to which she is willing to revive an arcadian past that never existed, especially given that she herself would be affected by such actions.

Elise can go on saying that she possesses infinite wisdom but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such vicious dreams just now. She doesn't want us to point out the glaring contradiction between her idealized view of tribalism and reality. She wants us to behave like sheep, not showing any inclination to saunter off in a direction other than that in which the shepherdess (Elise) wants us to go. Elise intends to keep us sheep blissfully ignorant of the fact that her assistants have been waxing stridently about fainéantism, Elise's pronouncements, and why Elise should outrage the very sensibilities of those who value freedom and fairness. Meanwhile, I, hardheaded cynic that I am, have been yanking up deplorable ratbags from the dark rocks under which they hide and flaunting them before the bright sunshine of public exposure. What do I hope to achieve by doing such a thing? I hope to achieve widespread recognition that Elise is the lineal descendant of the sensualists who nailed Jesus to the cross. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging. Furthermore, there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who condition the public to accept violence as normal and desirable, and there are those who seek some structure in which the cacophony introduced by her remonstrations might be systematized, reconciled, and made rational. Elise fits neatly into the former category, of course.

Elise insisted she'd never make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without her morally questionable efforts. Unfortunately, it wasn't long before she did exactly that. She promised she'd never criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle, but then she did just that—and worse. At least Elise is consistent, but I can guarantee the readers of this letter that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to act as a positive role model for younger people. Elise is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, she frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to unfurl the flag of ultracrepidarianism.

It's furciferous for Elise to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately. Or perhaps I should say, it's voluble. She periodically puts up a façade of reform. However, underneath the pretty surface, it's always business as usual. It seems ironic that however varied or profound the explanations underlying our sense of moral values may be, Elise's positions have no credibility, given that we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we honestly have to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about her sound bites. Elise can't be trusted. Everything she says is a lie, and everything she does is based on a lie: her deeds, her philippics, her publications—all lies, lies with flakes of truth sprinkled about to make brown-nosing drotchels believe them.

Elise, get a life! While some information provided by her bedfellows may be factual, other material is unsubstantiated rumor or refractory soliloquies. With all their sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, her analects are completely petty. I mean, think about it. Elise has one-upped George Washington in that she cannot tell a lie and cannot tell the truth. Basically, she's too unmannerly to distinguish between the two.

Elise truly believes that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. It is just such obstinate megalomania, mordacious egoism, and intellectual aberrancy that stirs Elise to prevent us from getting in touch with our feelings. She should stop protesting against her weaknesses and shortcomings. Rather, Elise should forgive herself for them and seek to strengthen herself by facing her vulgar fears. Then, perhaps, she would stop dragging everything that is truly great into the gutter. Her activities may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into wily negativism. So you see, Elise has an agenda—a political, social, and cultural agenda.
I stopped when you talked about civil liberties and made references to presidents.


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Fabs457

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01-07-2013

She benefits a ton from M.pen but her AP ratios are pretty bad. I think her overpoweredness is because of people's unfamiliarity (playing against her) with both her ranges and pseudo-escape mechanism of her E in spiderform. She's definitely strong but can dealt with via CC


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Ukaei

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01-07-2013

Have you heard of Lux?


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Redeemed In Fire

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01-08-2013

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She benefits a ton from M.pen but her AP ratios are pretty bad. I think her overpoweredness is because of people's unfamiliarity (playing against her) with both her ranges and pseudo-escape mechanism of her E in spiderform. She's definitely strong but can dealt with via CC
She isn't exactly stopped by CC, given that she can safely poke while running until it's safe to commit...


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Demonite10

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01-08-2013

At my ELO I like to play Elise as a squishy assassin built around the Spellsword mastery. Instead of rushing BFT, I grab Guise and sit on it while I go for Lich Bane. If playing bot lane, Elise can throw Q and auto attack to proc Sheen/Lich Bane for some pretty good harass - jump in with spider form to finish the job. I also like grabbing Malady for the +mdamage/hit and AS, which stacks nicely with Spellsword.

Yes, I'm aware 5% of your AP on each AA isn't much, but I don't cookie-cut or min-max


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Redeemed In Fire

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01-08-2013

I'm sure pro players will be gagging by the time this discussion closes, but I also love Malady on her. <3 more autoattack magic damage and AP ratio (PLUS the base and ap on her ult, PLUS the bonus AP on spellsword) and AS/mres shred.


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SulfuricAcid

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01-08-2013

I played a match against an Elise and it was awful. Each fight with her in it regardless of size we lost. She'd come in a explode someone and then just disappear into the air to safety and do it again.


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Ange1Fr0mHe11

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01-08-2013

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I played a match against an Elise and it was awful. Each fight with her in it regardless of size we lost. She'd come in a explode someone and then just disappear into the air to safety and do it again.
Isn't that the point of burst casters? Evelynn kills someone and w's away, Leblanc blinks away, Lux has range so she doesn't need to get away, etc. They one-shot someone and run away until they get another chance, it's what every burst caster excels at. Elise isn't special in that respect.