So turns out Elise is kind of broken here

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NotBuzzJack

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01-05-2013

And I can guarantee BFT is part of the problem.

edit: lol forgot I made this thread. This was before she got nerfed, I haven't actually seen her much in dominion since then.


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Nyx87

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01-05-2013

Survey says? *BZZZZZZZZ* wrong answer

Elise isn't broken. Elise has been strong since release, then they buffed her because people didn't know better, but even then she isn't broken, just strong. It stems from the fact that she has 2 % based nukes and so she just needs to itemize Magic Pen allowing her to scale with the enemies HP. Strong? yes. Broken? no.


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01-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Nyx87 View Post
Survey says? *BZZZZZZZZ* wrong answer

Elise isn't broken. Elise has been strong since release, then they buffed her because people didn't know better, but even then she isn't broken, just strong. It stems from the fact that she has 2 % based nukes and so she just needs to itemize Magic Pen allowing her to scale with the enemies HP. Strong? yes. Broken? no.
Excuse me the expression But Elise was Buffed because the Moronic part of sr playerbase (which sadly is the Bulk of the sr playerbase) was sending her mid and rushing rabbaddon's on her AFTER seeing her numbers instead of just going tanky mpen
although it's a little suspicious that the top teams were considering her as first pick yesterday after the bans sorted out the other guys,

"it haz Ap ratios, it goez mid and nids rabbudons"
-300 to1900 Elos Sr community


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konfetarius

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01-06-2013

Eh, to be fair, her damage output did kind of suck at first. But now she has good damage (can 100-0 squishies in a full combo; and can deliver some damage safely with human form) and good utility/defense, so yeah, she is pretty strong.


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Archeer

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01-06-2013

If BFT didn't exist, bruisers would dominate dominion just as they are now dominating TT.


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XantheInsane

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01-06-2013

My original goal for this letter was to scrutinize Elise's remarks point by point. Unfortunately, Elise's focus wanders so wildly that she never actually finishes any of her points. I think you will notice this in the ensuing discussion. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. Elise keeps saying that she is clean and bright and pure inside. I suggest taking such statements with a grain of salt because insane libertines have increasingly been ridiculing, parodying, censoring, and downgrading opposing ideas. Elise has a lot to answer for in regard to that.

I don't like to repeat myself, but Elise decidedly intends to construct gas chambers, incinerators, gulags, and concentration camps. The direful sequence of that result, so flagrantly scornful and beer-guzzling in itself, is that reckless drossels will abridge our basic civil liberties sooner or later. To be honest, before she once again claims that it is deceitful to question her prank phone calls, she should do some real research rather than simply play a game of bias reinforcement with her torchbearers. We and Elise unmistakably need to call a truce on our arguments over adversarialism. Unfortunately, Elise will refuse to accept any such truce, as her whole raison d'être is to promote adversarialism in all its stinking forms.

Elise extricates herself from difficulty by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. It would sure be nice if she could present her case without resorting to yellow journalism. You don't need to be the smartest guy on the planet to figure that out. Heck, even the lowliest Joe Six-Pack knows that by comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more inattentive, sick, and oleaginous society, all thanks to Elise's teachings.

In a similar vein, we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which self-aggrandizing blockheads like Elise are totally absent. The other road leads into the darkness of jingoism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? I would venture the answer has something to do with officialism. To elaborate, while Elise manufactures crises over diabolism, her Marxism movement has been making human life negligible and cheap. Mutual efforts against biased charlatanism are not just an educational process designed to teach people that her continual falsifications of history neatly illustrate her adherence to statism. These efforts also serve as a beacon, warning the world of the uncongenial consequences of her scary announcements.

When people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And Elise is to blame. I am cognizant that her goal is to bathe in splendor while the rest of us go to work in the mines, but one of the bewildering paradoxes of our time is the extent to which she is willing to revive an arcadian past that never existed, especially given that she herself would be affected by such actions.

Elise can go on saying that she possesses infinite wisdom but the rest of us have serious problems to deal with that preclude our indulging in such vicious dreams just now. She doesn't want us to point out the glaring contradiction between her idealized view of tribalism and reality. She wants us to behave like sheep, not showing any inclination to saunter off in a direction other than that in which the shepherdess (Elise) wants us to go. Elise intends to keep us sheep blissfully ignorant of the fact that her assistants have been waxing stridently about fainéantism, Elise's pronouncements, and why Elise should outrage the very sensibilities of those who value freedom and fairness. Meanwhile, I, hardheaded cynic that I am, have been yanking up deplorable ratbags from the dark rocks under which they hide and flaunting them before the bright sunshine of public exposure. What do I hope to achieve by doing such a thing? I hope to achieve widespread recognition that Elise is the lineal descendant of the sensualists who nailed Jesus to the cross. Get that straight, please. Any other thinking is blame-shoving or responsibility-dodging. Furthermore, there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who condition the public to accept violence as normal and desirable, and there are those who seek some structure in which the cacophony introduced by her remonstrations might be systematized, reconciled, and made rational. Elise fits neatly into the former category, of course.

Elise insisted she'd never make conditions far worse than could ever have been the case without her morally questionable efforts. Unfortunately, it wasn't long before she did exactly that. She promised she'd never criticize other people's beliefs, fashion sense, and lifestyle, but then she did just that—and worse. At least Elise is consistent, but I can guarantee the readers of this letter that difficult times lie ahead. Fortunately, we have the capacity to circumvent much of the impending misery by working together to act as a positive role model for younger people. Elise is guilty of at least one criminal offense. In addition, she frequently exhibits less formal criminal behavior such as deliberate and even gleeful cruelty, explosive behavior, and a burning desire to unfurl the flag of ultracrepidarianism.

It's furciferous for Elise to incite young people to copulate early, often, and indiscriminately. Or perhaps I should say, it's voluble. She periodically puts up a façade of reform. However, underneath the pretty surface, it's always business as usual. It seems ironic that however varied or profound the explanations underlying our sense of moral values may be, Elise's positions have no credibility, given that we can never return to the past. And if we are ever to move forward to the future, we honestly have to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about her sound bites. Elise can't be trusted. Everything she says is a lie, and everything she does is based on a lie: her deeds, her philippics, her publications—all lies, lies with flakes of truth sprinkled about to make brown-nosing drotchels believe them.

Elise, get a life! While some information provided by her bedfellows may be factual, other material is unsubstantiated rumor or refractory soliloquies. With all their sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, her analects are completely petty. I mean, think about it. Elise has one-upped George Washington in that she cannot tell a lie and cannot tell the truth. Basically, she's too unmannerly to distinguish between the two.

Elise truly believes that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. It is just such obstinate megalomania, mordacious egoism, and intellectual aberrancy that stirs Elise to prevent us from getting in touch with our feelings. She should stop protesting against her weaknesses and shortcomings. Rather, Elise should forgive herself for them and seek to strengthen herself by facing her vulgar fears. Then, perhaps, she would stop dragging everything that is truly great into the gutter. Her activities may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into wily negativism. So you see, Elise has an agenda—a political, social, and cultural agenda.


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Warrrrax

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01-07-2013

Elise is decent enough but I don't really feel particularly powerful when playing her. If I want to win, I pull out Jayce, or Darius, or even Jax, Yorick, etc.

Her main problem is that she has no slow, so her spider form is very rarely able to do any actual damage. Enemies simply run and she gets in 1 or 2 hits while having to use her Q as a gapcloser. Or enemies that are melee duke it out with her if they think they have an advantage. Even if you do a quick Q,W,E, change form, land the stun, rappel on top of them and W for attack, you won't get but 1 hit in.

The only remedies to this aren't very viable:
a) Rylais. Fine, except you generally rush BFT and then need armor/MR for extra tankiness, NOT health. So by the time youve got BFT, Abyssal, Frozen Heart/Iceborn/Wooglets, the game is almost over. Too late for Rylais.
EVEN if you rushed it, your E doesnt actually HIT the enemy and slow them. Your only way to slow is to use your 'finisher' Q. Your W is a buff and doesnt slow them either. So its not even a particularly good solution.

b) Furor boots - Not bad but its not enough for most purposes. Especially to finish off triforce bruisers, or the running teemo, ezreal, nidalee, kass, etc.

c) Frozen Mallet - see a. Most would prefer Rylais.

d) Hextech Sweeper - I may start trying this out. 10% speed boost is HUGE and its a very efficient item with good stats. Still, it runs into diminishing returns so not sure how effective it will be. Kind of same problem as Rylai... BFT gives me a health item and I really need armor/MR. So earliest I can get it is after Guise/BFT, chain, negatron, then this.


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Sykomyke

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01-07-2013

@ Xanthel

You aren't cute, funny, witty, or intelligent by posting those stupid form letter responses. In fact every thread you post them in makes you look more unintelligent than the last.


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Lessis

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If BFT didn't exist, bruisers would dominate dominion just as they are now dominating TT.
the problem is that it is too cheap and tanks are picking in up and rolling games


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Kholdstare13

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01-07-2013

mmm, banner of command. Armor, AP, and a great % damage boost to all the little spiderlings. Free promote? I'll just drop this to push while i wait in the jungle to ambush.

Iceborn gauntlet? Maybe. Rylai and iceborn both make a nice beefy Elise, both give AP, and both have a good slow for her to use. Iceborn helps with the CDR, and the mana sometimes lets you spam for longer, and adds a respectable 15 ap with an AA. Rylai has double the AP, and the slow sticks better when you aren't full spider chasing. This mostly comes down to who you are up against.