Fiddle's drain should cancel more

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d4rkedge

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01-04-2013

Fiddle's w continues through virtually everything except a stun.. You can make yourself untargetable, the drain continues, you can go invisible, the drain continues.. considering his q is virtually instant death if its leveled enough for him to channel his ult, his drain should cancel in many more situations.. You can't even zonyas out of it.

Discuss.

Darkedge.


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Jack of All AIDS

Senior Member

01-04-2013

Stopped by any type of CC other then slows and roots.
Or by walking away.


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d4rkedge

Recruiter

01-04-2013

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Originally Posted by Jack of All AIDS View Post
Stopped by any type of CC other then slows and roots.
Or by walking away.
Your talking as if anything will stop his channel, a stun or knockup (which is really a stun) are the only two things that come to mind.. Except running away like you suggested - we could argue all day, I'm just saying it should cancel in more situations, especially untargetable-ness.


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Rampant Poncho

Senior Member

01-04-2013

fear and silences interrupt it too. If you change fiddle's drain tether to break on untargetable people they would have to change Morg's ult tether and Nocturne's fear tether too.


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Jeroge

Member

01-05-2013

-Knock up
-Taunt
-Silence
-Stun
-Fear
-Suppression
-Polymorph (only Lulu)
-Pull
-Knockback

All those things will interrupt channeling abilities, so there are quiet a lot of champions that can interrupt Fiddle's W.


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Flipsy

Senior Member

01-05-2013

First off, you mention his Q being long enough to channel his ult, Tenacity works wonders.

Secondly, his Drain keeps him in place, and CC's will interrupt it as Jeroge said. Above all else, the Drain is his only source of sustain in order to keep him a decent champion and borderline viable. He's a squishy champion, is amusingly countered in jungle by simple wards, and has a plethora of completely hard counters to his kit. You complain about how it goes through untargetables and invisibility, but let's look at it from a more logical standpoint. The untargetable moves (Vlad's Sanguine Pool and Fizz's P/T) cancel attacks that are flying through the air, such as a turret shot, Annie's Disintegrate and Leblanc's Sigil. They are targeted and cast, but they never hit the mark before the untargetable happens. Drain is a point and click TETHER that is activated and creates a tether similar to Leblanc's Ethereal Chains, except Leblanc can at least move. The tether of Drain, once it begins doing damage, has already targeted the champion, meaning it is tethered at that point until it is broken by CC or range. And invisibility doesn't mean that you aren't there, if the tether from Drain has already hit you, what made you think it'd stop just because you went from being visible to not visible?

Amusing way to put it: think of Scorpion from Mortal Kombat using his Spear. If he throws it at his opponent and the opponent ducks or hides behind a tree and it misses, it obviously doesn't connect (like Disintegrate or Sigil). However, if Scorpion threw it, it connected to his target but he doesn't try to retract it, and the opponent tries to duck or hide behind a tree, the tether still follows the enemy.


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DeepSpaceNinja

Junior Member

01-05-2013

Fid is already underpowered and really difficult to play against experienced players.

Drain is his main source of damage (if you don't count his ultimate) and about half the champs in the game have a way to interrupt it, rendering him almost useless until it comes off cd again.

And as someone pointed out, you can just walk away because he has to stand still when casting drain.


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PredatorXVX

Junior Member

01-05-2013

you could always take 2 steps backwards then go kill him.


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PerfidiousAlbion

Senior Member

01-05-2013

Everything that is supposed to cancel his drain already does. Stealth isn't supposed to stop you from being hit by things that are already hitting you, just stop future ability/AA use. Untargetability doesn't work because you were previously targeted. If you go untargetable before his drain is applied then that prevents it's use like anything else.

Zhonya's works just fine against Fiddles drain. No it doesn't interrupt the drain, which it isn't supposed to, but you're still invulnerable for 2.5sec preventing much of the damage.


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Jesus the Friend

Member

01-05-2013

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Originally Posted by DeepSpaceNinja View Post
about half the champs in the game have a way to interrupt it
And the other half have blinks/dashes that escape the Drain range instantly.

I think Mord is probably the only character with no escape or disable for Fidd... OP must be a Mord player.


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