New iteration of reroll in ARAM!

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iDarkStar

Member

07-07-2013

i would say. if you have 2 rerolls and you have a selection option in the summoner profile. you pick 10 preferred and on the reroll option. add a second button that says to use both rerolls. and you have a 100% higher chance on each champion to reroll and get them. so if you own 100 champions, it's a 1% (1/100) chance for each champion. but 10 of them are preferred. so you would initially have 100 champions. but with 10 preferred champions. the probability to get them would no longer be 1/100 it would be 2/100 for each one, so it would be an 80% to get any non preferred champion. the odds are fair. or you could even go 50% and have 1.5% chance then it would divy out to 85% to get a non preferred champion.

all in all. use both rerolls to have a higher chance to get 10 champions of your choosing.or just have preferred champions in general.


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GusMalzahn

Senior Member

07-08-2013

or if you love aram start a new account and only buy op aram champs gg


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deantol

Member

07-08-2013

The ironic part to your math is, if you had 100 champions you own, and 10 that you would prefer to play. That's a 10% on the reroll. Well, if you use your second reroll, you have another 10% chance to get the champ you want, so you basically already have your idea implemented.


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Dumaraz

Senior Member

07-08-2013

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Originally Posted by deantol View Post
The ironic part to your math is, if you had 100 champions you own, and 10 that you would prefer to play. That's a 10% on the reroll. Well, if you use your second reroll, you have another 10% chance to get the champ you want, so you basically already have your idea implemented.
Something seems off here, and I may have mis-understood you due to verbiage but the OP is saying something different than what you're saying....

1) My interpretation of the OP's suggestion: Adding (2) combined rolls grants together as 20% chance of success to choose from 10-preferred champ pool of 100 owned champs. Otherwise, for each separate roll, 10% percent on preferred 10-champs selected.

2) My interpretation of your explanation (Deantol): System only grants 10% chance of the 10 champs you wish to play from the total 100 owned (in theory 1% per champ.)
- If you use a second roll, you still only have a measly 10% of hopefully getting (1) of your fav 10 champs out of total 100 owned. (Not a 20% percent chance, but instead only 10% for each roll session.)

3) Current implementation is unknown (unless its explained somewhere on the website buried in patch-notes.)
- My Opinion: the current system seems to work against the player in a sense that it favors to select champs that the player rarely plays ever (via hidden variable calculation from match history), and calculates against champs played more often than not to select randomly, at a higher rate from a pool of champs never, or very rarely played voluntarily.


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alfavhunter

Senior Member

07-08-2013

With 2 rerolls you have a 10%*10%+10% chance which ends at 11% chance. Using 2 rerolls increases your chance to get what you want by 1%


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Zyrianm

Senior Member

07-08-2013

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Originally Posted by deantol View Post
The ironic part to your math is, if you had 100 champions you own, and 10 that you would prefer to play. That's a 10% on the reroll. Well, if you use your second reroll, you have another 10% chance to get the champ you want, so you basically already have your idea implemented.
Thats logic *****


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Nea De Penserhir

Senior Member

07-08-2013

We really don't need more nothing-but-artilerlly-matches


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Zyrianm

Senior Member

07-08-2013

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Originally Posted by deantol View Post
The ironic part to your math is, if you had 100 champions you own, and 10 that you would prefer to play. That's a 10% on the reroll. Well, if you use your second reroll, you have another 10% chance to get the champ you want, so you basically already have your idea implemented.
A flaw on your plan though, as logical as it is, is that if you reroll, you cant get the champ you are currently using, meaning you would have to have 101 champs, and you rerolled, you would have a 10% chance to get a champ you wanted. If you rerolled again, you would have another 10% chance.


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iDarkStar

Member

07-14-2013

two 10% chances does not make it 20% chance to get that champ on one roll. two 10% chances to get those champions. and i never said the numbers were permanent, say increase the chance by 300%. then you no longer have equal chance if you roll twice or not. then it's 70% for a non preferred champions, so regard the math on the "20%" chance, the idea is there. discuss the idea, not the math because the math is an example not an actual representation if the idea was integrated.


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iDarkStar

Member

07-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Zyrianm View Post
A flaw on your plan though, as logical as it is, is that if you reroll, you cant get the champ you are currently using, meaning you would have to have 101 champs, and you rerolled, you would have a 10% chance to get a champ you wanted. If you rerolled again, you would have another 10% chance.

and also, go to probability to make it simpler you get 10/100 chance, 2nd reroll, 10/100 chance, and in the end, if you add those together, it's 20/200. which is still 10% chance. so you dont get an increased chance whatsoever, it's still same probability, but like someone said up earlier, it'll give you an 11% chance. but if you have 10 champions that are twice as likely, an dyou use both rerolls. you WILL have a 20/100 chance - 20% to get them.


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